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John Baglin

John Baglin, one of 172 convicts transported on the Florentia, 14 August 1827

Name, Aliases & Gender

Name: John Baglin
Aliases: none
Gender: m

Birth, Occupation & Death

Date of Birth: -
Occupation: Farmers man and miner
Date of Death: -
Age: -

Life Span

Life span

Male median life span was 56 years*

* Median life span based on contributions

Conviction & Transportation

Sentence Severity

Sentence Severity

Sentenced to Life

Crime: Sheep-stealing
Convicted at: Gloucester Assizes
Sentence term: Life
Ship: Florentia
Departure date: 14th August, 1827
Arrival date: 3rd January, 1828
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 172 other convicts

References

Primary source: Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 89, Class and Piece Number HO11/6, Page Number 264
Source description: This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Project.

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Anonymous on 2nd August, 2012 wrote:

John Baglin was 20 years old when transported.
John was protestant, could read, single, 5’7" tall, ruddy freckled complexion, dark brown hair, hazel eyes, several cuts on right side of head.

From the ship’s journal of the Florentia 1827: John Baglin, Age 20, convict; disease or hurt, Obstipatio - put on sick list, 12/8/1827, discharged 15/8/1827.

1840: TOL Penrith.
1843: TOL: Mudgee
1/10/1848: CP

Sydney Morning Herald 21/6/1847:  MISDEMEANOR: John Baglin, free by servitude, was indicted for the stealing of 16 gallons of rum and 8 or 10 gallons of ale, the property of Mr William Blackman of Mudgee.

The prisoner was a carrier between Mudgee and Sydney and had been employed by Blackman to bring him a load of goods from Sydney, and amongst other articles, a hogshead of rum and 3 hogshead’s of Wright’s ale.  Blackman complained there was a deficiency of rum and ale and that the rum had been diluted down.

The Jury, after an absence of 10 minutes returned a verdict of not guilty.

12/12/1865: John was a Councilor at Waverley Municipal Council.

Carol Castro on 26th March, 2015 wrote:

From Gloucester Journal Saturday 21st April, John Baglin and Thomas James were tried at the Gloucester Assizes for stealing a sheep, the property of R. Bennet of English Bicknor. He arrived on the ‘FLORENTIA’ on 3rd January 1828.
On the 5th of January 1828 he was assigned to the Australian Agricultural Company.
On January 18th 1828 he requested reassignment from the Aust. Ag. Co. to the Mineral Surveyors Dept., saying he was a miner. The reassignment was denied.
In the 1828 Census held later that year, there is a John Baylin (Prince Regent) who is listed at Newcastle Barracks, but I’m not certain this is him. The was certainly no John Bag(y)lin on the Prince Regent and I can find no other record of him in the census.
In May 1832 he is assigned to John Cox of Mulgoa as a ‘farmers man and miner’ (Govt. Gazette 22nd Aug 1832 - convict 1804)
In the 1837 muster John is working at Penrith for George Cox. (General Returns of Convicts 1837 PRO. ref HO/32-35)
On 13th August 1840 he receives a Ticket of Leave from Penrith Court dated April 1840(40-1816)
In 1842 he receives his 2nd Ticket of Leave from Penrith Court (42-15543)
On 10th January 1843 He receives a Ticket of Leave from Mudgee Court.
In March 1847 he is listed at Bathurst Quarter Sessions charged with larceny. He was working as a carrier between Sydney and Mudgee for a William Blackman. The Sydney Morning Herald for Monday 21st June 1947 on page 3 lists Bathurst Quarter Sessions.’ John Baglin, free by servitude, was indicted for stealing sixteen gallons of rum and eight or ten gallons on ale, the property of William Blackman of Mudgee. Mr Holroyd appeared for the defendant. It appeared that the prisoner was a carrier between Mudgee and Sydney, and amongst other articles a hogshead of rum and three hogsheads of Wright’s ale, that on delivery of the goods at Mudgee, Blackman claimed there was a deficiency in the quantity of rum and ale when compared with the invoice received from his agent in Sydney, and that the rum had been reduced in strength and adulterated with dirty water. The prisoner had taken out a summons against Blackman for the amount due for the carriage of the goods from Sydney, before the before the criminal proceedings were instigated. There was no proof addused as to the state in which the goods were delivered to the carrier, and the Jury, after an absence of about ten minutes, returned a verdict of not guilty.”
On the 1st October 1848, John receives his Condition Pardon (48-1775) entered in the register 17th Nov. 1848.
I can find no further evidence about the life of John Baglin. George Cox who John worked for at Mulgoa moved to Burrendulla outside Mudgee, so John may have continued to work for him.
There is a burial record for a John Bagnall who died near Mudgee in 1852. The Bagnall family who settled in Mudgee do not appear to arrive until after 1852, and I wonder if this Bagnell is indeed John Baglin. I can find no record of a marriage or of any children being born to him.
The John Baglin who is a councillor in Sydney in the 1860s is not the same man, but instead is a relative of Llewellyn Baglin who emigrated with his family in the 1850s from Bermondsey in London.
John Baglin is not a common name and yet there are at least 4 different John Baglins in Australia in the early 1850s.
The above two, plus a John Baglin who settle in Portland Victoria (Irish emigrant aka John Beglin) and my own ancestor John Thomas Baglin who married Mary Ann Tiffin in Tasmania in 1839.
I have sort of adopted this Gloucestershire convict and have visited English Bicknor. There are several court records for Baglins committing various misdemeanors in Gloucester in the early 1800s.
John Baglin was most probably christened 13th June 1799 to John and Jane Bagland at English Bicknor. John Baglin and Jane Jones were married 15th June 1798 at Newland in Gloucestershire.
Most English Baglins hale from Gloucestershire.
regards Carol Baglin 26.03.2015

Convict Changes History

Anonymous on 2nd August, 2012 made the following changes:

gender m

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