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John Elliott, one of 290 convicts transported on the Mangles, 21 November 1839
Name, Aliases & Gender
||Nathan Nathan (alias), James Tyson, Mathanial
Birth, Occupation & Death
|Date of Birth:
|Date of Death:
||21st December, 1862
life span was 60 years*
* Median life span based on contributions
Conviction & Transportation
Sentenced to 10 years
||Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 91, Class and Piece Number HO11/12, Page Number 126
||This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Project.
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Anne Haenga on 16th April, 2020 wrote:
Married Marion King in 1846, had three known children William Elliott Tyson b. 1847, Louisa Marion Elliott Tyson b. 1848 and Nathan Tyson Elliott b.1849
D Wong on 16th April, 2020 wrote:
27/4/1840: Arrived NSW per Mangles.
18/5/1840: Arrived Norfolk Island.
3/3/1844: Arrived VDL and is listed as on the ‘Maitland’ (1).
****2 John Elliotts’ on this ship - this one is Identifier 2 *****
4th March 1839
Verdict Guilty > unknown
JOHN ELLIOTT, alias Nathan Nathan, was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of February, 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of Francis Oxley, from his person.
FRANCIS OXLEY. I am a wine-merchant, and live in Cross-lane, St. Mary-at-Hill. A little before three o’clock, on Friday afternoon, the 22nd of February, I was passing through Rood-lane, and missed my handkerchief—I perceived the prisoner close by me, on my left-hand side—I suspected him, but not liking to charge him with it immediately, I stepped aside, let him pass, and saw him endeavouring to get my handkerchief into his pocket—I made a spring at him, and he dropped it, and ran away—I pursued him, struck him with my umbrella, and knocked off his hat—I picked it up, and stuck it on the first post I came to—I cried, “Stop thief,” but he turned the corner of Cross-lane, and I lost sight of him—there were one or two others with him—I cannot say whether they were accomplices.
JOHN SAMUEL M’ARTHUR (City police-constable, No. 149.) I was on duty in Thames-street a few minutes before three o’clock on Friday, the 22nd of February, and heard, “Stop thief” cried—I ran in the—direction of the cry, and met the prisoner running without a hat, and four persons following him—I stopped him—he resisted very much, and struck me a severe blow—I was, obliged to send for further assistance before I could take him—a hat was brought by a man who said he took it off a post, and the prisoner owned it as his.
(Property produced, and sworn to,)
Prisoner’s Defence. I was passing by Philpot-lane, and two young men came along, and pushed against me—we quarrelled, and I was fighting with one of them—there was a friend of mine behind me, but he did not interfere—I ran away, as they both pitched into me, and knocked my hat off—I did not stop to pick it up, thinking my friend would do that—they hallooed, “Stop him,” not “Stop thief”—the policeman stopped me, and asked me to go to the watch-house—I said I would if he would not collar me, but he would, and pulled me along like a dog—I would not go at first, but I did in a minute or two—I never struck him, nor attempted to do so—they went and fetched the gentleman, and the Inspector said to him, “Do you think that is the person?” he said, “No, I do not think that is the person”—the Inspector said, “Step out into the yard”—I did, and then the gentleman altered his mind, and said he thought I was.
FRANCIS OXLEY re-examined. When I went into the room at first it was very dark—I was hardly aware of “any one being present—the Inspector said, “Is that the man?”—I said, “I don’t know, trot him out and let me see him in the light”—directly I saw him in the light, I said, “That it the man”—I saw him with the hat on—it was dirtied in the same way as the one I picked up.
Prisoner. It is my hat—I had been in the watch-house full an hour and a half before the gentleman came in. Witness. They did not know where I lived.
GUILTY. Aged 21.— Transported for Ten Years.
(The prisoner had been previously convicted, and repeatedly in custody.)
John Elliott was listed as 21 years old on arrival.
Native Place: London.
Occupation: Listed as a Dyer on his Convict Indent in NSW.
John was literate, protestant, single, 5’5½” tall, sallow and freckled complexion, brown hair and eyes, scar on left eyebrow, raised mole back of neck, mole on lower part of right side of throat, sun, half moon, seven stars, heart pierced with two darts inside lower left arm.
16/11/1846: Permission to marry Marion King (Tasmania 1844).
27/12/1846: Married at Bethesda Church, Hobart. John was 26 and Marion/Marian was 22.
21/9/1847: CP approved.
1849: When son, Nathan Tyson Elliott was born - John was listed as Nathan Tyson Elliott, a general dealer.
21/12/1862: John Elliott now known as Nathanial Tyson died at the Melbourne Hospital, of ‘Disease of the Heart’, aged 40.
Informant Hall Porter, Hospital Melbourne
buried 23 Dec 1862 Melbourne Cemetery
born London, 8 years in Tasmania, 10 years in Victoria
married Hobarton age 23 Marion King
issue two living, William 16, Louisa 15, one dead.
Death Place: Victoria
Father’s Name: U
Mother’s name: Annie Mckean
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 9345
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Marion died 4/11/1869 at Leichardt St, Melbourne, Victoria., of Bronchitis, Diarhorea and Debility, aged 45, and was buried at the New Cemetery, McKinnon, Melb., Victoria.
Convict Changes History
Anne Haenga on 16th April, 2020 made the following changes:
alias1: Nathan Nathan (alias) (prev. Nathan Nathan (Alias)), alias2: James Tyson, date of death: 1862 (prev. 0000), gender: m, occupation, crime
D Wong on 16th April, 2020 made the following changes:
alias3: Mathanial, date of birth: 1820 (prev. 0000), date of death: 21st December, 1862 (prev. 1862), crime