John Gamble

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

JOHN GAMBLE in the 1830s 1830 he received his Ticket of Leave - no 30/395 dated 18 June 1830 1832 – Oct -married widow Mrs Phoebe Smith 1833 Received he got a Certificate of Freedom In 1833 Original T/L deposed to have been lost and new one granted: Current Age: 51 years Replaced with new T/L No 32/0332 of 15 Apr 1833. MARRIAGE to PHOEBE SMITH per ‘KAINS’ 1832 John Gamble aged 50 Application to Marry convict Phoebe Smith, aged 50, arrived per ship “Kains” 1830. MARRIAGE: 10 Oct 1832 By Rev Richard Hill: John Gamble, Aged 51 years; Widower; (per ship Atlas 5, 1819) Ticket of Leave; Coach Maker of St James Parish, Sydney. Bride: [Mrs] Phoebe Smith, Aged 53 years, Widow per ship Kains 1830; Bond; Residing at Phillip’s Parish, Sydney . Married by Banns; with consent of Governor (Phoebe Smith being a convict). Phoebe died less than five months after she and John were married. DEATH 429/1833 V1833429 17. GAMBLE Phoebe “aged 60”, buried 1 March 1833, registered St James’s Parish In 1844 he was in gaol for four months The Australian, 5 June 1844, p 3 “John Gamble, who keeps a notorious house at the lower end of Pitt-street, nearly opposite the Union Bank, was fined £30 and costs at the Police Office, yesterday, for illegally retailing a glass of brandy to one William Cheesewright, on the night of the 22nd May 1844, as an accompaniment to a plate of oysters.” Sydney Gaol Book 1844 Gaol entry - Arrived per ship ‘Atlas’. He stated his native place as Harrow and his occupation as shoemaker. He was sentenced to 4 month’s gaol, or a fine of £31. He chose gaol and was discharged 30 October 1844. John Gamble died by his own hand at the Benevolent Asylum in Camperdown on 27 February 1851, Coroner inquired into his death on 6 March 1851 and the verdict was “Cut his throat – intent”.

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

DEATH OF WIFE ANN Ann was buried at Parramatta on 5 October 1828. St John’s death register records “Ann Gamble, buried Parramatta, aged 39 years, Free, wife of Mill-wright.” Rev Samuel Marsden performed the ceremony. The John Smith who the Gamble family is boarding with in the Nov 1828 Census is probably his son-in-law. John Smith married John’s daughter, Martha Gamble aged 16 or 17, in 1825 (NSWBDM 3623/1825 V18253623 3B) at St Luke’s Anglican Church, Liverpool. His son John Gamble jun, aged 13 in 1828, is not recorded living with the family in 1828. His other daughter, Ann, would marry the following year in 1829: Ann Gamble Mrrd 17 May 1829 to James Alderson, at Scots Presbyterian Church in Sydney. Ann was aged 18 and Alderton was 23 (Free per ‘Harvery’, 27 August 1827. Ann’s first child, (another Ann) was born 4 months later. Daughter Martha would marry, aged 22 or 23, in 1831 to Henry F Drinkwater at Scots Presbyterian Church, Sydney. ***********************************

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

John Gamble was convicted at the March Assizes in Durham of the crime of “having various forged bank notes” in his possession”. [Criminal Register for County of Durham, 1819 (p 269). Although his family is recorded always as being in York, he may have gone north to Durham to pass the notes so he would not be recognised. ARRIVAL of HIS FAMILY As detailed in posts above, his wife Ann Gamble and five of their children arrived in NSW, free, in November 1823 on the ship Jupiter. Stated in the 1825 Muster, the children were Ann jun, Isabella, Martha, John, and George. Robert is not listed – he may have died, or stayed given age 15. Ann as a free woman applied to have her husband assigned to her. They lived at Parramatta, as a family. A daughter Charlotte was born in NSW. In the 1828 Census Charlotte was recorded living with her father John and two other siblings. Stated to be aged 4 (so born in 1824). However, she’d been baptised later, on 7 October 1826, at St James’s Church, Sydney. [Note that a witness to John & Ann Gillespie’s marriage in 1806 was a Charlotte Gillespie, probably sister, or mother, of Ann) WORK AS MILLWRIGHT John Gamble probably worked at the Darling Mills, which were on the Darling Mills Creek (names after the mill). The Darling Mills had been built in 1825 by John Raines and were near the Brokenback Bridge on the Parramatta-Windsor Road. John is recorded as a millwright upon Ann’s death in October 1828. John’s occupations in NSW: 1822 – Assigned government servant, stage coach driver 1823 - 1825 – assigned to his wife. But his occupation is what? 1828, October, wife’s death, a mill-wright. 1828 additional November 1828 Census entry for him: millwright, living with householder Mr Charles Fairs, Parramatta. In the 1828 Census, Charles Fairs was the Superintendant of the Darling Mills . 1828, November Census - coach-maker living in George Street as a boarder with John Smith, and with three of his children, Isabella who would be 15, George who would be ten, and Charlotte, said to be aged 4. ***********************************************

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

NOV 1806: Marriage of John Gamble and Ann GILLESPIE 1806 1807 ROBERT GAMBLE, baptised 1 February 1807, at Sowerby, [North Yorkshire]. (From Sowerby Baptism Register, online on Ancestry.com) Robert Gamble is not recorded as arriving with his mother and other siblings in 1823. He may have died, or he may have stayed in Yorkshire, being then about 16 years old. 1808 MARTHA GAMBLE, baptised 24 Oct 1808 at Sower-by-Thirsk, Yorkshire. 1811 ANN GAMBLE, “3rd child” is recorded in the baptism registry book. Born 9 January 1811, Baptised 11 January 1811, In the Parish of St Sampson’s, Yorkshire. [This parish church is in the heart of York city centre] The Register records the following for “father’s name, Profession, Descent and Abode: “Daughter of John Gamble of Thursday Markett [sic[, Guard to a Mail Coach. Son of John Gamble, the same Parish, Labourer.” [The name, “Thursday Market” was historically the name of the market square area now called St Sampson’s Square, after St Sampson’s Church, right in the middle of York City.] 1813 ISABELLA GAMBLE, baptised 12 September 1813 at St Olave’s, York, County Yorkshire, parents John & Ann. Father’s occupation “Guard to the Mail”. Abode: “Marygate”. (Minister: Thomas Jessop) Note Marygate Street is in York City, running just north of the city center, From St Mary’s Tower at its north end and down to the River Ouse, at its south end. 1815 JOHN GAMBLE, baptised 5 October 1815 at St Olave’s, York, County Yorkshire, parents John & Ann. Father’s occupation “Coach Guard”. ( Minister: Thomas Jessop) 1818 GEORGE GAMBLE, born 3 January 1818, baptised 6(?) January. (John Chester or Acaster, Vicar). Abode: Parish St Helen’s, Stonegate, York. [Stonegate is an historic street in the centre of York, with many buildings dating from the C12 – C17.]. Father’s occupation was joiner. His occupation as ‘joiner’ is a change for John who was always a coachman or coach driver until this point. It may have been a negative change in his fortunes, or perhaps he had too many mouths to feed, leading him to forge bank notes. He was also found in Durham 66 miles north of York – he may have gone here dealing in forged notes so that he would not be recognised in York. ******************************

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

A John Gamble MARRIED Ann Gillespie at St Wilfred’s Anglican Church, at Kirby Knowles, Yorkshire on 15 May 1806. The village of Kirby Knowles is five & a half miles north of the village of Sowerby where the first children of John & Ann were born. This is likely to be the same John Gamble as was transported on ‘Atlas’ in 1819 “John Gamble of Sowerby, bachelor, and Ann Gillespie of this parish, spinster, were married in this church by banns by me, [the Rector] In the presence of Margaret Irving and Charlotte Gillespie” Both John and Ann could sign their own names. John Gamble was born in Sowerby, near Thursk, in North Yorkshire. His father was also John Gamble, (stated on 1811 baptism registration of his daughter Ann Gamble jnr] and his mother was another Ann. The following two children are likely to be younger brothers of John the convict, they are not his children: 1799 – GEORGE GAMBLE, “the son of John and Ann Gamble” baptised 29 Sept 1799, at Sowerby, [North Yorkshire]. (From Sowerby Baptism Register, online on Ancestry.com) 1802 – JOHN GAMBLE, “the son of John and Ann Gamble” baptised 24 January 1802, at Sowerby, [North Yorkshire]. (From Sowerby Baptism Register, online on Ancestry.com)

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Robin Sharkey on 19th January 2026

Regarding the iain Frazier statement above. ESTHER GAMBLE is NOT the CHILD OF THIS JOHN & ANN Esther Gamble who arrived on “Friends” in 1811 aged 14 or 15 or so, after an Old Bailey trial in 1810 where she was said to be aged 13, was not the child of John Gamble per ‘Atlas’ and his wife Ann, free on ‘Jupiter’. She may have been the child baptised 21 June 1795 as Esther Mary Gamble, daughter of John and Ann, at St James’s Paddington, Westminster, as the post states. However it is not possible that these parents are the John and Ann who come to NSW. There is no evidence that they are. All the evidence is contrary to it. • Mrs Ann Gamble at her burial at Parramatta in October 1828 is recorded by Rev Marsden as aged 39 years. So she was born in 1788 or ‘89. It is NOT possible that Ann gave birth to Esther in 1795-1798 when Ann was aged ten or less. Although the age point proves it, some common sense can be applied as well: • If they are Esther’s parents, why did Ann have Esther in Middlesex, when she and John were both born in the north of England and all the following births, and their marriage, all occurred in the north of England? • The Old Bailey record refers to a sister of the accused Esther. Why were two young girls left in London on their own while their supposed parents raised more children in North Yorkshire. *********************

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iain Frazier on 11th October 2024

Family connections for John (Gamble) are: Some amendments added Jul 2025. GAMBLE John (Gamble) married Ann (???). He was tried at Durham Assizes on 22 3 1819, sentenced to 14years & arrived in NSW as a convict on 19 10 1819 after a voyage of 4.5months on ATLAS; he was Protestant. He bacame assigned to his wife after her arrival. He was recorded with his family at Parramatta in 1825. He was a stage coachman in 1826 & recorded in 1828 as coachman and Lg. at John (Smith)s George Street Sydney with his children-& also as nmillwright Darling Mills Parramatta. He was issued Ticket of Leave No307395 for Sydney. [Some details taken from this Website] Ann (???/Gamble) was born about 1789. She arrived in Australia with her children following her husband in 1823/4 on JUPITER. She was recorded with her family at Parramatta in 1825. She died on 5 10 1828 at Parramatta age39 & was buried at St Johns CofE Parramatta. John (Gamble) & Ann (???) produced 7known children: mostly girls 1.Esther Mary (Gamble) daughter of John (Gamble) & Ann (???) was baptised on 21 6 1795 at St James Paddington London. She was first tried at age about12 for stealing curtains etc, on 11 9 1809, of John (Ritchie) at Middlesex, sentenced to 6months & fined 1shilling. She was tried secondly at age13 for stealing veils etc, on 11 6 1810, of Charles (Harris) at Old Bailey on 18 7 1810, sentenced to death reprieved to Life, held at Middlesex Gaol Delivery & arrived in NSW as a convict on 29 9 1811 after a journey of nearly 9months on FRIENDS. She married, as Esther Mary (Gambol), at age16 Robert (Rope) on 19 2/9 3 1812 at St Matthews CofE Windsor & produced 3children. She died on 11 4 1825 age30. ..[Some details taken from this Website] ..Robert (Rope) was born in 1788 (first child conceived in colony?) & baptised on 2 11 1788 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He died in 1835 age about22. ..Details of Robert (Rope)s family are given in entry for Anthony (Rope ALEXANDER 1788) on this Website. .. 2.Ann (Gamble) was born about 1811. She arrived in Australia with her mother in 1823/4 on JUPITER. She was recorded with her parents at Parramatta in 1825. She married James (Alderson) on 17 5 1829 at Scots Kirk Sydney & produced at least 2children. ..James (Alderson) was born about 1806. He arrived in NSW free on 16 11 1808 after a voyage of 8months on SPEKE. He was a carpenter in 1829 & a clerk in September 1829 & 1831. ..Details of James (Alderson)s possible family are given in entry for Hannah (Alderson SPEKE 1808) on this Website. .. 3.Isabella (Gamble) arrived in Australia with her mother in 1823/4 on JUPITER. She was recorded with her parents at Parramatta in 1825. She was recorded in 1828 with her father at George Street Sydney. 4.George (Gamble) arrived in Australia with his mother in 1823/4 on JUPITER. He was recorded with his parents at Parramatta in 1825. He was recorded in 1828 with his father at George Street Sydney. 5.Martha (Gamble) arrived in Australia with her mother in 1823/4 on JUPITER. She was recorded with her parents at Parramatta in 1825. She married John (Smith) on 20 8 1825 at St Lukes CofE Liverpool. ..John (Smith) arrived in Australia free in 1823 on CAROLINE. He was recorded as a millwright in 1826. ..Martha (Gamble) & John (Smith) produced 1child: ..1.Ann Emily (Smith) was born at George St Sydney on 8 7 1826 & baptised on 7 10 1826 w/her uncle George William (Gamble) & aunt Charlotte Emma (Gamble) at St James CofE Sydney. .. 6.George William (Gamble) was born on 1 1 1819. He arrived in Australia with his mother in 1823/4 on JUPITER. He was baptised on 7 10 1826 age6 w/Charlotte Emma & neice Ann Emily (Smith) at St James CofE Sydney. 7.Charlotte Emma (Gamble) was born on 23 10 1824 at Upper Pitt St & baptised on 7 10 1826 age2- w/George William & neice Ann Emily (Smith) at St James CofE Sydney.. She was recorded in 1828 with her father at George Street Sydney. REFERENCE: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony.

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Tom on 10th June 2024

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-988321878/view Held Sydney Ticket-of-leave #307395.

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Denis Pember on 28th January 2016

Ann died early in 1828 so is not recorded in teh census, the rest of the family are: Sainty & Johnson; 1828 Census of New South Wales: [Ref G0125] Gamble, John, government servant, Atlas, 1819, 14 years, Protestant, coachman and Lg. at John Smith, George Street Sydney. [Ref G0126] Gamble, Isabella, came free, Jupiter, 1823, Protestant. [Ref G0127] Gamble, George came free Jupiter, 1823. [Ref G0128] Gamble, Charlotte, 4, born in the colony. John is recorded twice!! [Ref G0121] Gamble, John, 45, government servant, Atlas 3, 1819, 14 years, Protestant, millwright, Darling Mills, Parramatta. (clearly the same John, so his master at the mill must have registered him).

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Denis Pember on 28th January 2016

In the 1825 Muster/Census he is recorded... Gamble, John, convict, Atlas, 1819, 14 years, government servant to Ann Gamble, Parramatta. Gamble, Ann, came free, Jupiter, 1824, wife of John Gamble, Parramatta. Gamble, Ann, came free, Jupiter, 1824, child of above. Gamble, Isabella came free Jupiter, 1824, child of above. Gamble, George, came free Jupiter, 1824, child of above. Gamble, Martha, came free, Jupiter, 1824, child of above.