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Transportation
John Hoare was transported on the Nile, Canada And Minorca, departing 31st May 1801 and arriving 14th Dec 1801 with 304 passengers.
Nile, Canada And Minorca (generic)References
| Primary Source | Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 87, Class and Piece Number HO11/1, Page Number 301 (150). State Archives NSW, Convict Indents (Series: NRS 1151; Item: [4/3999]; Microfiche: 625). UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849. Find-a-grave. Ancestry. |
| Source Description | This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Pro |
| Original Source | Great Britain. Home Office |
| Compiled By | State Library of Queensland |
| Database Source | British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database |
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"John is my 3 times great grandfather"
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Family connections for John (Hoare) are: HOARE Preliminary: John (Hoare/Hore/Hare) was born about 1759. He married firstly Elizabeth (???). He became a Veteran in UK forces. He arrived in NSW as a private with his family on 16 11 1808 after a voyage of 8months on SPEKE; he was detached to (Steele) company of NSW Corps.>>> Elizabeth (???) arrived in NSW with her family on 16 11 1808 after a voyage of 8months on SPEKE. John (Hoare) & Elizabeth (???) produced 1child: 1.Edward (Hoare) was born in 1803 in England. He arrived in NSW with his parents on 16 11 1808 after a voyage of 8months on SPEKE. He married Sarah (Marsden) on 3 11 1821 at St Lukes CofE Liverpool. He was a shoemaker in 1821 & 1826 & a messenger in 1829. ..Sarah (Marsden) was born on 18 3 1803 or 6 3 1805 & baptised on 7 4 1805 on Norfolk Island. She is recorded as off stores on Norfolk Island in February 1805. ..Details of Sarah (Marsden)s family are given in entry for Mary Ann (Reynolds WILLIAM PITT 1806) on this Website. ..Edward (Hoare) & Sarah (Marsden) produced at least 5children: all boys ..1.John (Hoare) was born on 1 11 1821 at Windsor & baptised on 25 12 1821 as (Hore) at St Matthews CofE Windsor. ..2.William Edward (Hoare) was born on 21 3 1824 & baptised on 18 4 1824 at St James CofE Sydney. ..3.George Frederick (Hoare) was born on 24 1 1826 & baptised on 24 12 1826 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. ..4.Henry (Hoare) was born on 31 8 1829 & baptised on 3 9 1829 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He died on 4 9 1829 age4d at Sydney & was buried at St Phillips CofE Sydney. ..5.Samuel Henry (Hoare) was born on 28 7 1830 & baptised on 15 8 1830 at St James CofE Sydney. 2,??? (Love) 3.??? (Love) 4.??? (Love) .. >>>John (Hoare/Hore/Hare) married secondly Elizabeth (Love) on 10 7 1809 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. In 1809 he was detached to 5Company & on 24 4 1810 transferred to Veterans company. Elizabeth (Love) was born on 28 1 1785 in England. She arrived in NSW with her parents on 9 7 1791 after a voyage of 6months on Fleet ship MATILDA. Details of Elizabeth (Love)s family are given in entry for Mary Ann (Reynolds WILLIAM PITT 1806) on this Website. .. Although Smees records show Elizabeth (Love) marrying John (Hoare/Hore SPEKE 1808) the records show the father of her children to be John (Hoare/Hore/Hone/Hord) CANADA 1801), which is substantiated by entries on this Website. Perhaps an error in identification by the colony's scribes occurred. ++ Therefore we start again: ..John (Hoare/Hore/Hare) was born on 8 6 1776 at Wexford Ireland. He was tried for mutiny at Court Martial on HMS GLADIATOR, sentenced to 7years, held on hulk CAPTIVITY & arrived in NSW as a convict on 14 12 1801 after a voyage of 6.5months on Fleet ship CANADA; he was Catholic. He arrived on Norfolk Island in 1801 according to Ref:'People...'. He left Norfolk Island in 1804 according to this Website. He was Free by Servitude by 1811 & his Ticket of Leave was issued on 18 7 1811. With his son in law John (Robinson) & father Charles (Robinson who worked at the Government Stockyard at Cowpastures/Liverpool), in 1820, he purchased stray Government cattle (those that had been imported from South Africa, strayed or been stolen from the original settlement & later found at Cowpastures (hence the name)), & moved them to Pambula where the (Robinson)s established Honeysuckle Farm. He was recorded in 1828 with his family at Airds. He died on 25 4 1862 age85 & was buried at Dapto RC. ..[Some details taken from this Website] .. It's still possible that the 2John (Hoare)s are the same person. .. ..Elizabeth (Love) & John (Hoare/Hore/Hone/Hord) produced at least 9children: mostly girls ..1.Ann (Hoare/Hore/Hord) was born on 4 5 1811 & baptised on 2 6 1811 at St Johns CofE Parramatta. She married at age15 William (Rixon brother James) on 23 1 1826 at St Peters CofE Campbelltown & produced at least 1child. She died on 8 9 1895 age84. ....William (Rixon) was born on 17 10 1802 & baptised on 25 12 1802 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He was recorded in 1828 with his wife at Airds. He died on 28 5 1847 age44. ....Details of William (Rixon)s family are given in entry for James (Rixon BARWELL 1798) on this Website. .. ..2.John (Hoare/Hore) was born on 10 7 1813 & baptised on 12 3 1815 at St Lukes CofE Liverpool. He was recorded in 1828 with his parents at Airds. He died on 5 10 1895 age82. ..3.Elizabeth (Hoare/Hore) was born on 18 10 1815 & baptised on 18 2 1816 at St Johns CofE Parramatta. She was recorded in 1828 with her parents at Airds. She married James (Rixon brother William). She died on 13 9 1822 age66. ....James (Rixon) was born on 5/12 1 1806also. He died on 12 9 1873 age67. ....Details of James (Rixon)s family are given in entry for James (Rixon BARWELL 1798) on this Website. .. ..4.Martha (Hoare/Hone) was born in 1817 & baptised on 13 8 1821 age about4 at St Marys RC Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 with her parents at Airds. She married John (Robinson) & produced 1known child. She died on 29 7 1873 age about56. ....John (Robinson) was born on 22 4 1798 & baptised on 29 7 1798 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. With his father & convict John (Hoare) he purchased, in 1820, stray Government cattle (those that had been imported from South Africa, strayed or been stolen from the original settlement & later found at Cowpastures (hence the name)), & moved them to Pambula where his father established Honeysuckle Farm. He died on 8 6 1860 age62. ....Details of John (Robinson)s family are given in entry for Elizabeth (Harris INDISPENSIBLE 1796) on this Website. .. ..5.Andrew (Hoare) was born on 25 5 1820. He was recorded in 1828 with his parents at Airds. He died on 17 4 1890 age69. ..6.Sarah (Hoare) was born in 1822. She was recorded in 1828 with her parents at Airds. She died on 11 9 1862 age about40. ..7.William (Hoare) was born in 1824 & baptised on 26 2 1824 at St Marys RC Sydney. He was recorded in 1828 with his parents at Airds. He died on 28 5 1890 age about65. ..8.Mary (Hoare) was born on 10 7 1826 & baptised on 13 5 1829 age2 at St Marys RC Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 with her parents at Airds. She died on 5 3 1893 age66. ..9.Maria (Hoare/Hore) was born in possibly 1829 at Appin & baptised on 13 5 1829 at St Marys RC Sydney. References: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony. Irene Schaffer & Thelma McKay 'Exiled Three Times Over! Profiles of Norfolk Islanders Exiled in Van Diemens Land 1807-1813' James Hugh Donohoe 'Norfolk Island 1788-1813-The People and Their Families' Reg Wright 'Forgotten Generation of Norfolk Island & Van Diemens Land'
Convict Indents:- aged 23, Offence: Mutiny Prison Hulk ship Captivity:- aged 23, Offence Mty, date received 1st April 1801 Find-a-grave https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61158074/ho Falk Family Tree:- Birth/Baptism 8 Jun 1776 Wexford, Ireland
Buried at Dapto R/C with wife, Elizabeth nee Love. Her headstone and D/C details incorrect. An 1863 photo of her and eldest daughter Ann Phibbs nee Hore, has notes on back indicating that Elizabeth was born in NSW in Jan 1792 and did not arrive on Matilda with parents in 1791. Further, she consistently declared herself BC at five separate musters and censuses.
John's wife was Elizabeth Love, they married 10th July 1809 at Sydney. Elizabeth was born at sea, aboard the "Matilda" in 1791. Her father was John Love (NSW Corps, Matilda, 1791) and her mother was Martha Merriman (Came Free, Matilda, 1791). Sainty & Johnson; 1828 Census of New South Wales: Page 193... [Ref H1939] Hoare, John, 50, free by servitude, Canada, 1807, 7 years, Catholic, settler, Airds [Ref H1940] Hoare, Elizabeth, 37, born in the colony. [Ref H1941] Hoare, John, 15, born in the colony [Ref H1942] Hoare, Elizabeth, 14, born in the colony. [Ref H1943] Hoare, Martha, 12, born in the colony. [Ref H1944] Hoare, Andrew, 9, born in the colony. [Ref H1945] Hoare, Sarah, 7, born in the colony [Ref H1946] Hoare, William, 5, born in the colony. [Ref H1947] Hoare, Mary, 3, born in the colony.
the first fleet lost their cattle . years later they were found . i found a newspaper article that stated that john robinson and john hoare bought the rights to the herd, found at cowpasture liverpool . they took the herd to pambula on far south coast, john robinson married john hoares daughter martha, . one of their daughters, elizabeth amelia married charles robertson and they started honeysuckle farm pambula . john robinson's father charles robinson had come to australia as a soldier on the 'active" ship. he married elizabeth harris , a convict , by 1820 charles robinson worked at the government stock yard which would have helped the two younger men to buy the herd. the news paper article was in the sydney mail, 1903. here is the site http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/16807532?zoomLevel=4
John Hoare arrived in Australia as a convict at Sydney on the "Canada" on 14th Dec 1801 after leaving England on 21st June 1801 and coming via Rio de Janeiro. He was also imprisoned on Norfolk Island between 1802 & 1804. He obtained his "Ticket of Leave" on 15th Jul 1811. By 1828, John, his wife Elizabeth and family were living at Airds. see also "Murder, Mayhem & Misdemeanours - Early Settlers at the Cowpastures River NSW 1810 - 1830" by Marion Starr pages 6, 15, 31, 65, 193, 194, 196, 212, 230, 257, 259, 263, 264.