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John Ramsay

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Name, Aliases & Gender

Name: John Ramsay
Aliases: none
Gender: m

Birth, Occupation & Death

Date of Birth: 1762
Occupation: Seaman
Date of Death: 20th January, 1836
Age: 74 years

Life Span

Life span

Male median life span was 59 years*

* Median life span based on contributions

Conviction & Transportation

Sentence Severity

Sentence Severity

Sentenced to 7 years

Crime: Highway robbery
Convicted at: Surrey Assizes at Kingston Upon Thames
Sentence term: 7 years
Ship: Scarborough
Departure date: 13th May, 1787
Arrival date: 26th January, 1788
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 15 other convicts

References

Primary source: Gillen, Mollie; The Founders of Australia, A Biographical Dictionary of the First Fleet. Baxter, Carol; Ed, Various Assorted Musters of New South Wales.. (viz 1802, 1806, 1811, 1814) Sainty, Malcolm & Johnson, Keith; Census of New South Wales 1828.
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Community Contributions

Denis Pember on 7th December, 2015 wrote:

John was tried at Surrey Lent Assizes which began at Kinston upon Thames on Wed 24 Mar 1784. He was tried on the morning of Fri 26 Mar 1784. “John Ramsay and William Johnson: brought from Newgate on the 30th day of December 1783”.
“...that John Ramsay late of the parish of Battersea in the county of Surrey Labourer and William Johnson late of the same…on the 16th day of November…with force and arms in the parish aforesaid…in the King’s Highway…upon William Edwards feloniously did make an assault and…him in corporal fear and danger of his life did put and…one pair of Silver Shoe Buckles of the value of 15s. one pair of Silver Knee Buckles of the value of 6s. one silk Handkerchief of the value of 3s. one linen Handkerchief of the value of 1s. two Muslin Stocks of the value of 2s. and two shillings of the proper silver coin of the realm of the goods and chattels of said William Edwards ...violently and feloniously did steal…”
They were found guilty and sentenced to be hanged. They were reprieved to transportation to America for seven years, and subsequently transported on the First Fleet, aboard the ship ‘Scarborough’.

Denis Pember on 7th December, 2015 wrote:

In the colony, John married Mary Leary (Convict, Neptune, 1790), December 19th 1790 at Parramatta.
The couple settled on 50 acres at ‘The Ponds’.
On 6th December they were visited by Watkin Tench and he made an interesting report about the industry of the couple, which was later to be proved true.
“He deserves a good spot, for he is a civil, sober, industrious man. He has a well laid out little garden (3½ acres), in which I found he and his wife, busily at work. He praised her industry to me and said he had no doubt of succeeding.  It is not often seen that sailors make good farmers; but this man I think bids fair to contradict that observation.”

Denis Pember on 7th December, 2015 wrote:

The Musters:..
1802:
[AA114] John Ramsay, 20 pigs, 3 gilts, 12 acres wheat, 20 acres maize to be planted; at The Ponds, holding 2 grants.
[AG121] John Ramsay, Grant at Field of Mars. 25 cleared 17½ in wheat12 maize to be planted. 60 acres held, 1 male goat, 3 females; 5 male pigs, 10 females. 30 bushels maize in hand.
1 male off stores, wife and 3 children off stores. 3 servants.

1806:
[A3690] John Ramsay, Scarborough, FBS, Held by purchase 60 acres ex Reid at Field of Mars.
[B0506] John Ramsay: 17 acres wheat, 16 maize, ¾ acre peas/beans, 4 acres potatoes, 4½ acres orchard, 17¾ acres pasture. (60 acres held)
Stock: 7 male hogs, 8 female, 15 bushels barley in stock. Self, wife and convict labourer off stores.

1811:
[4844] Ramsay, John, Scarborough, sentenced 1784, Surrey, 7 years.

1814:
[S4746] John Ramsay, Scarborough, Landholder.
[S4747] John Ramsay, BC, Landholder.
(Son John now hold one of the grants!)

Denis Pember on 7th December, 2015 wrote:

John made several purchases of various properties, buying and selling to get the best.
His wife Mary died in 1813. They had three children between 1791 and 1795, much of the property was handed on to this next generation.

1828 Census [Ref R0095] Ramsay, John, 77, FS, Gardener at Kissing point.

Heather Stevens on 12th January, 2018 wrote:

Does anyone know what land his son John had? I have not found anything about land left to any of his children. In fact I have not been able to find anything about the son John after the 1814 muster.

Heather Stevens on 12th January, 2018 wrote:

Marriages:
His first marriage was to Mary Leary (AKA O’Leary, ship ‘Neptun’e 1790) on 19 Dec 1790 by the chaplain Richard Johnson at Parramatta (St Johns Anglican register).They had 3 children, Elizabeth 1791, John 1793, and John Thomas 1795. Mary died 1813, buried 9 Feb, St Johns register Parramatta.

His second marriage: John Ramsay (free) of Sydney, marries Mary (AKA Mary Ann) Armstrong, (ship ‘Mary Ann’ 1816) of Parramatta Female Factory, 25 Nov 1817 at St Johns church Parramatta. She died 12 Nov 1818 at Sydney. No known children.

His third marriage: to Elizabeth Moore (ship ‘Maria’ 1818) about 1818 - no marriage record found. Elizabeth died 1832, buried 18 June 1832 Parramatta. Known children are Elizabeth Harriet 1819–1914, and John Thomas Ramsay b.1823.

Convict Changes History

Denis Pember on 7th December, 2015 made the following changes:

convicted at, term: 7 years, voyage, source: Gillen, Mollie; The Founders of Australia, A Biographical Dictionary of the First Fleet. Baxter, Carol; Ed, Various Assorted Musters of New South Wales.. (viz 1802, 1806, 1811, 1814) Sainty, Malcolm & Johnson,

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