James Say

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Summary

Born
Jan 1803
Conviction
Unknown
Departure
Jul 1822
Arrival
Nov 1822
Death
Jun 1842
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Personal Information

Name: James Say
Gender: Male
Born: 1st Jan 1803
Death: 21st Jun 1842
Age at death: 39
Occupation: Unknown

Crime

Crime: Unknown
Convicted at: Wilts. Assizes
Sentence term: 99 years

Voyage

Departed: 3rd Jul 1822
Ship: Arab
Arrival: 6th Nov 1822
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land

Transportation

James Say was transported on the Arab, departing 3rd Jul 1822 and arriving 6th Nov 1822 with 156 passengers.

Arab had another voyage as a convict ship - after discharging 228 prisoners in Hobart, Arab departed on 26 July 1834 with 11 prisoners for Sydney; arrived there on 15 August 1834. Source: The Sydney Herald, Monday 18 August 1834 p 2 Two of the prisoners were William COMSTIVE, and Thomas HORTON - both having arrived in VDL per "Lady Ridley" 1821; and both having been sentenced to secondary transportation.

ArabArab (generic)

References

Primary SourceAustralian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 88, Class and Piece Number HO11/4, Page Number 185 (93)
Source DescriptionThis record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Pro
Original SourceGreat Britain. Home Office
Compiled ByState Library of Queensland
Database SourceBritish convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database

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Convict Notes

Chris Ison avatar
51
on 8th December 2024

PIRACY AND MURDER AT NORFOLK ISLAND. As we are aware that many exaggerated statements will appear regarding the attack made on the Governor Philip at Norfolk Island, we hasten to give the following correct account:— As soon as it became known amongst the prisoners that the schooner Coquette was to touch at Norfolk Island, the boats' crew that assist in unloading the brig, determined to take her; this however was prevented by the precautions taken. The evening previous to her leaving the island (June 20,) the whole of the boat’s crew, consisting of twelve men, were taken on board the brig, in consequence of the boat being leaky and half filled; they were of course put into the prison on board. The following morning, the men were called at seven o’clock to get to work. The usual watch was on deck. Suddenly two of the prisoners rushed on one of the sentries, whose back was turned to them, and after a struggle disarmed him; three more made at the other, who presented his pistol and attempted to fire, but if flashed in the pan; he was then knocked down, and his head cut severely. The corporal and remaining two of the watch were thrown overboard, and one man drowned. At the same time, the second mate was knocked down, and severely beaten about the head; he however managed to get away from them, and down into the cabin, and informed Captain Boyle what was going on. The sergeant of the guard had got on deck, and succeeded in shooting a man named Kelly (who died almost immediately), when he was set upon by four of the prisoners, and so severely beaten on the head with an iron belay-pin, that he was not out of danger when the brig left. The deck was now in possession of the prisoners, they having forced the ship’s company into the boats. In the mean time Captain Boyle opened the communication with the cabin and the soldiers’ berth, and after a time succeeded in shooting one of the ringleaders, who was standing with another as guard over the cabin hatchway; on his falling, the others jumped into the boat. The captain, mate, and the soldiers, rushed on deck and retook the vessel, at which time three more of the prisoners were killed, and two wounded; making five killed and two wounded. We regret to say that the corporal of the guard was shot through the shoulder while coming on board at the time the firing commenced, and he now lays with little hope of his recovery. The seven remaining mutineers were fully committed to take their trials for piracy and murder, and will, it is supposed, be tried by a Special Commission. (Sydney Herald 15 Jul 1842, p. 3.) NORFOLK ISLAND. THE statement in yesterday's Herald at the attempt to capture the brig Governor Phillip, was so full and correct that further enquiry enables us to add little to it except the names of the parties. The unfortunate soldier who was thrown overboard and drowned, and for whose murder the scoundrels will be tried, was named Taylor, a private in the 96th regiment,. The names of the convicts who were shot were George Moss, per Argyle, to Van Dieman's Land, William M'Lean, per Florentia, Bartley Kelly, per June, James Say, per, Arab, to Van Dieman's Land, and Samuel Jones, per John. (Sydney Herald 16 Jul 1842, p. 2.)

D Wong avatar
221
on 14th July 2019

James Say was listed as 18 years old on arrival. Place of Birth: North Bradley. James was 5'6" tall, light rown hair, blue eyes, small scar over right eye. Father: at North Bradley. 26/3/1830 Colonial Times, Hobart: James Say and James Hill, for feloniously entering a dwelling-house, and stealing divers articles, guilty. Death recorded. 8/5/1830: James Say for assaulting Thomas Dunn, and stealing from his person a knapsack and various articles of dress - death recorded. 1830-32 Musters: Transported to Macq. Harbour. 1833 Muster: Transported to Port Arthur. 1835 Muster: Assigned to Mr. John Hassall. 18/3/1839: Colonial Conviction: Hobart Town, life. 6/4/1839: Colonial Conviction: Launceston - life. Sheep stealing. 2/5/1839: To be sent to Norfolk Island. 21/6/1842: James Saye died, aged 35 (listed as born 1807) and was buried at: Norfolk Island Cemetery Quality Row Kingston, , Norfolk Island. 19/8/1842 The Courier, Hobart: Norfolk island.- The statement in yesterday's Herald of the attempt to capture the brig Governor Phillip, was so full and correct, that further enquiry enables us to add little to it, except the names of the parties. The unfortunate soldier who was thrown overboard and drowned, and for whose murder the scoundrels will be tried, was named Taylor, a private in the 96th regiment. The names of the convicts who were shot were, George Moss, per Argyle, to Van Diemen's Land; William M'Lean, per Florentia ; Bartly Kelly, per Jane ; James Say, per Arab, to Van Diemen's Land ; and Samuel Jones, per John.

Maureen Withey avatar
341
on 13th July 2019

Hulk information. HO 9-9-3 p.1 James Say was received on the hulk from Fisherton Gaol, 1 May 1822, with 13 other prisoners. James Say, age 20, convicted at new Sarum 9 Mar 1822, for Life. Left hulk for journey to NSW 29 Jun 1822.

Maureen Withey avatar
341
on 16th April 2019

Salisbury. The following prisoners were tried and sentenced as under: Death – ...Solomon Farr and James Say, for a burglary and robbery in the house of Blanchard at North Bradley, ...(All the above prisoners, nineteen in number, have been reprieved.) Salisbury and Winchester Journal, 18 Mar 1822