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James Tydeman, one of 292 convicts transported on the Pestonjee Bomanjee, 16 April 1852
Name, Aliases & Gender
Birth, Occupation & Death
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life span was 58 years*
* Median life span based on contributions
Conviction & Transportation
Sentenced to 7 years
||Tasmanian Libraries. Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 92, Class and Piece Number HO11/17, Page Number 417 (211)
||This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Project.
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Anonymous on 1st August, 2012 wrote:
James Tydeman was transported for stealing a peck of Windsor beans from George Finch.
James was 19, 5’4 1/2" tall, fresh complexion, large head, black hair, oval face, black eyebrows, medium nose, mouth, chin, heart and cross on right arm anchor on left, read and write a little and was single.
26/11/1866: Married Louisa Denner (17 years old) an born in Tasmania. They had 4 children, 2 of whom died at an early age.
Louisa died of lung disease aged 27, sixteen days after the birth of her last child.
No date of death found for James.
Nicholas Long on 23rd January, 2020 wrote:
This contribution is for those doing ancestral research.
The 1841 Census for England has James Tydeman aged 12 living in Walsham Le Willows Suffolk. There is no father’s name. His mother is presumably a widow,and is Mary Tydeman aged 36 with the profession of washer woman. He has a younger brother William then aged 3. William goes on to become a Sergeant in the Police. James’ nephew Daniel Frank goes on to become a Detective Inspector in the London Metropolitan Police. The story that comes down through the line of William is that James was transported for sheep stealing.
For any one interested in following the line of William, the following may be helpful. The 1871 Census for England has William being a policeman in Devizes, Wiltshire. The name Tydeman may have continued through his sons Henry J, William H and Charles W. Daniel Frank has no living direct descendants with the name of Tydeman. There may still be descendants with the Tydeman name in the Devizes and Swindon areas.
It would also be interesting to know when and why James Tydeman goes to Tasmania. Is it because has misbehaved during his sentence or after completion
Nicholas Long on 26th January, 2020 wrote:
Further information on James Tydeman Convict
James is baptised in Walsham Le Willows Suffolk Dec 1829. Parents James & Mary Tydeman. Brother William is baptised 1836. There is only one good search match for a marriage of James & Mary for the whole of England in the 1820s. A James Tydeman marries Mary Pollard in Chatham Kent in 1824.
The best match for Mary Pollard’s baptism is a double result. Mary Ann Pollard is baptised in Walsham Le Willows in 1804. In both results the father is James Pollard. One entry has the mother as Mary Quechill and the second has the mother as Mary Quantrill.
There is a double result of a baptism of (father) James. In both results dated 1803 James Tydyman is baptised in Walsham Le Willows. In one result the father is Edmond Tydyman and the mother is Ann Mully. In the other the father is Edmund Tydyman and the mother is Ann Millswedge.
Mary and William Tydeman disappear from census results for 1851 and 1861. Given the date of James’ conviction the likely reason is the scandal and social ostracism arising. The trail seems to lead to London. It seems that William joins the Metropolitan Police.The search results are confusing. So far there is no good match for the death of Mary for this to be conclusively determined.
Correction to first contribution. If anyone is interested in following the line, there are two living descendants of William through Daniel Frank, who have the maiden name of Tydeman.
Iris Dunne on 26th January, 2020 wrote:
Conduct Record: Tried G.C. Launceston 21 April 1859 for Uttering a forged cheque, Sentence 5 years Penal servitude at Port Arthur, Launceston 11 July 1879 Larceny 6 months
* There is a James Tidyman, Death 1912 in Launceston, Tasmania, Death Index Reg. No. 0206 - not sure if same person.
Nicholas Long on 1st February, 2020 wrote:
Update and correction.
The death of James’s father in England is not certain. The fact that Mary Tydeman is listed as Wash Woman in the 1841 census rather than with the ‘W’ for the status of Widow means that she is the bread winner and almost certainly widowed. There is a record of a marriage in Suffolk in 1845 of Mary to Robert Frost. The 1851 census has for the same address as 1841 the following. Robert Frost Head, Mary Frost Wife, William Tydeman son in law and Sara Frost aged 4. James and William have a Half Sister.
This is a significant piece of information. The passage of time means that this item has not passed down in the line of William to the present day only emerging now.
I was told to look for the trial records to see if more was involved. There is a good candidate for George Finch. The 1851 Census has Farmer George Finch holding 47 acres at Hintlesham near Ipswich. This is more than a walk to and from work from Walsham Le Willows. Farmer George may have had more against James. A peck of seed beans might have put a noticeable but not large hole in his crop. A peck of harvested beans being stolen would be hard to prove and would
I entered into the search box something like ‘convicts transported to australia james tydeman trial records’. The result was at the top of the first page of results I found what appears to a social media page with boxes for putting up comments. The text on this page tells the story of James activities and shows images of letters written by James to his family. The line of William has known that James wrote to his family but believed the letters lost. This web page shows the original letters exist and are held by a descendant of Sara Frost.
Convict Changes History
Anonymous on 1st August, 2012 made the following changes:
date of birth 1829-00-00, gender m
Iris Dunne on 26th January, 2020 made the following changes:
source: Tasmanian Libraries. Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 92, Class and Piece Number HO11/17, Page Number 417 (211) (prev. Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 92, Class and Piece Number HO11/17, Page Number 417 (211))