Thomas Bates

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iain Frazier on 19th June 2026

This Thomas (Bates) has Contributions similar to the Thomas (Bates NEPTUNE 1790) & there are mentions in Smees records that conflict with the same person, especially having children with Ann (Griffin). Furthermore, information from Ref:'Colonial Regiment...', which can be regarded as definitive, provides further conflictions. So at this stage, the interpretation given in this Contribution for Thomas (Bates ADMIRAL BARRINGTON 1791) is offerred for consideration. Family connections for Thomas (Bates) are: BATES THIS WEBSITE SHOWS: 2 (perhaps 4) Thomas (Bates) may be the husband of Ann (Griffin): A Thomas (Bates) was tried at Warwick Assizes Warwickshire, sentenced to 14years & would have arrived in NSW as a convict on 9 7 1791 after a voyage of 6months on Fleet ship ADMIRAL BARRINGTON. He apparantly died on 29 3 1791, ie at sea-not recorded in Smees records; however, he is recorded as enlisting in NSW Corps as a drummer on 3 7 1789.>>> [These details taken from this Website] >>>a Thomas (Bates) is recorded in Ref:'Colonial Regiment...' as enlisting in NSW Corps as a drummer on 3 7 1789 (suggesting he wws born about 1775). He arrived in NSW on 16 10 1791 on Fleet ship ADMIRAL BARRINGTON. In 1795 he was a private when granted 25acres at Parramatta? & detached to (Paterson)s company. He married in 1800 in Sydney & produced 10children. He was sent to Port Dalrymple Tasmania with Paterson)s company in 1804. He was granted another 50acres at Parramatta in 1806. In 1807 he was detached to (Johnston)s company, in 1808 to (Piper)s company & to (Steele)s company as a corporal & granted 13.5rods at Back Row Sydney. In 1810 he was a sergeant. In May 1810 he returned to UK as part of the disbandment of NSW Corps, at which time he was demoted for 1month. He returned to NSW. He died in 1836 in Sydney. Noted he is recorded in Port Dalrymple in 1804 & 1805. The marriage in 1800 & the existence of up to 10children at appropriate times indicate a link to Smees recordngs below. .. B Thomas (Bates) was born about 1772 & became a carter. He was tried for stealing boots of Edward (Bell) at Old Bailey on 7 5 1788, sentenced to 7years, held probably at London/Middlesex Gaol Delivery & arrived in NSW as a convict on 26 6 1790 after a voyage of 7months on Fleet ship NEPTUNE; a voyage noted for extreme brutality of prisoners with a high death rate. He married Ann (Griffin age16) on 12 5 1800 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He was granted land at Back Row off Sussex St Sydney in 1810. He retired from the army in 1817. He was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with his family; he was a boat builder & had livestock; Mary (Kelly) was a lodger. He died on 17 12 1836 age about64 in Sydney. [These details taken from this Website:-some of the information here, particularly the reference to Back Row & Sussex street, can be said to belong to Thomas (Bates ADMIRAL BARRINGTON) soldier] >>>a Thomas (Bates) is recorded in Ref:'Colonial Regiment...' as enlisting in NSW Corps on 23 8 1800 as a private & was detached to (Townson)s company. In 1805 he was detached to (Grosser)s company with which he went to Port Dalrymple Tasmania in 1807. He was detached to (Lewis)s company in 1808, to 7Company in 1809 & was still at Port Dalrymple in 1810. On 24 4 1810 he was transferred to 73rd Regiment. Noted he is recorded in Port Dalrymple in 1807 & 1808. Both the 2xThomas (Bates) the convicts may be different than the linked Thomas (Bates) the soldiers, making perhaps 4 in total. .. SMEES RECORDS SHOW: Thomas (Bates 1791 ADMIRAL BARRINGTON) soldier age28 married Ann (Griffin-came free 1791 BRITANNIA) age16 on 12 5 1800 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. Thomas (Bates came free 1791 ADMIRAL BARRINGTON) soldier & Ann (Griffin-came free 1791 BRITANNIA) produced 2children in 1806 & 1808. Thomas (Bates 1790 NEPTUNE) convict & Ann (Griffin-arrived as child 1791 BRITANNIA) produced 7children in 1812 to 1826. He was Free by Servitude by 1812. He was recorded as a boat builder in 1826. Noted a Thomas (Bates) was a constable when he died on 7 3 1826 age67 & was buried at St Phillips CofE Sydney. born 1759 Noted Thomas (Bates HILSBOROUGH 1799) is recorded as a constable in Sydney also-in 1822. Ann (Griffin) was born on 25 7 1784 in England. She arrived in NSW with her parents on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791) after a voyage of 6months on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA. She married at age16 Thomas (Bates) on 12 5 1800 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her family. She carried on the boat building business with son William after her husband died. She died in 1864 age about74 in Sydney. Details of Ann (Griffin)s family are given BELOW. Thomas (Bates) [Smees records show him arriving as a soldier on ADMIRAL BARRINGTON 1791] & Ann (Griffin) produced perhaps 9children: mainly girls 1a.[Noted a Thomas (Bates) is recorded as born in 1805-no parents given] 1.Lydia (Bates) was born on 9 5 1806 in Sydney & baptised on 25 12 1806 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She married John (Stewart) on 1 3 1825 at St Phillips CofE Sydney.-Smees records do suggest she married in England. She died in 1867 age about61. ..John (Stewart) arrived in NSW as a child on 9 7 1791 after a journey of 6.5months on Fleet ship MATILDA. He was recorded in 1826, 1828 & 1830 as a shoemaker. Noted a John (Stewart) is recorded as dying on 17 3 1830 at Newcastle after suffering a possible fit. his remains being found in the bush; he was buried at Christ Church Newcastle. ..Noted a convict James (Stewart)-who may have been Johns father or relative-arrived in NSW on 9 7 1791 after a journey of 6.5months perhaps on Fleet ACTIVE ALBERMARLE ATLANYIC BARRINGTON BRITANNIA MARY ANN MATILDA SALAMANDER WILLIAM AND ANN-perhaps on MATILDA. He was tried at probably Old Bailey, sentenced to 7years & held at Middlesex Gaol Delivery. ..[These details taken from this Website] ..Lydia/Letitia (Bates) & John (Stewart) produced 5children: ..1.James (Stewart) was born on 19 9 1820 & baptised on 1 10 1820 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. ..2.Mary Ann (Stewart) was born on 20 5 1823 & baptised on 29 6 1823 at St Phillips CofE Sydney ..3.Mary Ann (Stewart) was born on 7 2 1826 in Sydney & baptised on 12 3 1826 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. ..4.John Thomas (Stewart) was born on 8 4 1828 in Sydney & baptised on 4 5 1828 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. ..5.James Enoch (Stewart) was born on 11 7 1830 in Sydney & baptised on 8 8 1830 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. .. 2.Maria (Bates) was born on 14 12 1808 at Port Dalrymple & baptised on 1 4 1810 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her parents. She married George (Green brother Mary Ann) also a boat builder on 19 4 1830 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She died on 16 2 1896 age81. ..George (Green) was born about 1810. He arrived in Australia as a child in 1820/21 on ELIZA. ..Details of Mary Ann (Green)s family may be given in entry for Thomas (Green ELIZA 1822) on this Website. ..Maria (Bates) & George (Green) produced at least 1child. ..1.George Amaziah (Gteen) was born on 26 12 1830 & baptised on 1 1 1831 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. .. NOTE the gap in births from 1808 to 1812 indicates the absence of the father in UK, mentioned above, may be a factor here. FROM HERE the father is named as Thomas (Bates 1790 NEPTUNE) convict: 3.William (Bates) was born on 2 9 1812 & baptised on 27 9 1812 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with his parents. He continued the boat building business with his mother after his father died. He married Mary Ann (Green sister George). He died on 9 2 1871 age59+. ..Mary Ann (Green) may have arrived in Australia as a child in 1820/21 on ELIZAalso. ..Details of Mary Ann (Green)s family may be given in entry for Thomas (Green ELIZA 1822) on this Website. .. 4.James (Bates) was born on 26 9 1814 & baptised on 26 2 1815 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He was recorded in 1828 as apprenticed to a carpenter. He died on 14 10 1841 age27. .. 5.Ann (Bates) was born on 2 5 1817 & baptised on 25 5 1817 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her parents. She married John (Piper) a boat builder also. She died on 10 1 1901 age83-. PIPER IS IN TEXT1 & another piper see notes ..John (Piper)s family may be shown in entry for Edward (Piper MINORCA 1801) OR James (Shears SCARBOROUGH 1788) on this Website. AMEND IN EDWARD PIPER & SHIERS .. 6.Nathaniel (Bates) eas born on 24 11 1819 & baptised on 2 1 1820 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with his parents. He moved to South Island New Zealand where he had 3partners and many children. He died on 15 7 1887 age67. .. 7.Matthew (Bates) was born in 1820. .. 8.Martha (Bates) was born on 22 5 1823 & baptised on 15 6 1823 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her parents. She married Joseph (Clayton brother George). She died on 21 6 1849 age26. ..Joseph Richard (Clayton) was born on 9 10 1824 & baptised on 22 5 1825 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She died on 5 4 1885 age60. ..Details of Joseph Richard (Clayton)s family are given in entry for Joseph (Clayton MALABAR 1819) on this Website. .. 9.Sarah (Bates) was born on 4 4 1826 in Sydney & baptised on 30 4 1826 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her parents. She married George (Clayton brother Joseph). She died in 1884 age about58. ..George (Clayton) was born 30 8 1826 in Sydney & baptised on 25 12 1826 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He died on 26 1 1889 age62. ..Details of George (Clayton)s family are given in entry for Joseph (Clayton MALABAR 1819) on this Website. [Noted a Jane (Bates) is recorded as born in 1818-no parents given] [Noted a Jane (Bates) is recorded as born in January 1823-no parents given-she died on 6 2 1823 age about 1month] Mary (Kelly) was a resident in Sussex St; her details are given in entry for Matthew (Kelly SUGAR CANE 1793) & Edward (Piper MINORCA 1801) on this Website. AMEND IN KELLY & PIPER GRIFFIN SOLDIER NOT A CONVICT doingStorage Michael (Griffin) was born in Galway Ireland & became a cordwainer. He married Mary (???). He enlisted in NSW Corps in UK as a private on 29 9 1789 as a private. He arrived in NSW as a soldier with his family on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791) after a voyage of 6months on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA; he was 5.67'. In 1795 he was granted 25acres at Petersham Hill. In 1796 he was detached to (Grose)s company until 1808 when he was detached to (Kemp)s company. In 1809 he was detached to 2Company. On 24 4 1810 he was transferred to Veterans Company. Mary (Amos/Griffin) arrived in NSW with her family on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791) after a voyage of 6months on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA. She died on 2 9 1794 & was buried at St Phillips CofE Sydney. Michael (Griffin) & Mary (???) produced 4children: 1.Ann (Griffin) was born on 25 7 1784 in England. She arrived in NSW with her parents on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791) after a voyage of 6months on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA. She married at age16 Thomas (Bates) on 12 5 1800 at St Phillips CofE Sydney & produced perhaps 10children. She was recorded in 1828 at Bates Lane Sussex St with her family. She carried on the boat building business with son William after her husband died. She died in 1864 age about74 in Sydney. Thomas (Bates) was tried at Warwick Assizes Warwickshire, sentenced to 14years & would have arrived in NSW as a convict on 9 7 1791 after a voyage of 6months on Fleet ship ADMIRAL BARRINGTON. He apparantly died on 29 3 1791, ie at sea; however, he is recorded as enlisting in NSW Corps as a drummer on 3 7 1789.>>> [These details taken from this Website] >>>a Thomas (Bates) is recorded as enlisting in NSW Corps as a drummer on 3 7 1789 (suggesting he was born about 1775). He arrived in NSW on 16 10 1791 on Fleet ship ADMIRAL BARRINGTON. In 1795 he was a private when granted 25acres at Parramatta? & detached to (Paterson)s company. He married in 1800 in Sydney & produced 10children. He was sent to Port Dalrymple Tasmania with Paterson)s company in 1804. He was granted another 50acres at Parramatta in 1806. In 1807 he was detached to (Johnston)s company, in 1808 to (Piper)s company & to (Steele)s company as a corpral & granted 13.5rods at Back Row Sydney. In 1810 he was a sergeant. In May 1810 he returned to UK as part of the disbandment of NSW Corps, at which time he was demoted for 1month. He returned to NSW. He died in 1836 in Sydney. Details of Thomas (Bates)s family are given ABOVE-where difficulty in correctly identifying is shown. .. 2.Nathaniel (Griffin) was born on 13 5 1797 in England. He arrived in NSW with his parents on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791) after a voyage of 6months on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA. 3.Thomas (Griffin) was born on 2 4 1791 at sea on First Fleet ship BRITANNIA, arriving in NSW on 14 10 1791 (9 7 1791). He was enlisted in NSW Corps on 18 12 1799 in Sydney as a drummer. In 1800 he was detached to (Townson)s company. In 1802 he was designated private & detached to (Abbott)s company, then to (Kemp)s company; & he became a drummer again. In 1803 he was detached back to (Abbott)s company. In 1808 he was located at Parramatta. In 1809 he was transferred to 1Company. He was with 102nd Regiment when he married Sophia (Grandue) on 22 3 1810 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He went to UK in May 1810 perhaps with his wife, possibly with disbandment of the Corps. ..Sophia/Sopa (Grandue/Gronndey/Gaunshie/Grandia/Groundhie) was born about 1786. She was tried for house breaking, on 23 2 1802, & stealing a frock & much more of Benjamin (Ames) at Old Bailey on 28 4 1802, sentenced to 7years for stealing a frock & apron, held at Middlesex Gaol Delivery & arrived in NSW as a convict on 11 3 1803 after a voyage of 6.5months on HMS GLATTON. She was issued her Certificate of Freedom on 28 3 1810, gazetted in June 1810. She may have returned to UK with her husband. ..[These details taken from this Website] .. 4.Eliza Lydia (Griffin) was born on 4 3 1794 & baptised on 29 6 1794 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She married firstly John (Benn) emancipist on 16 8 1814 at St Matthews CofE Sydney.>>> ..John (Benn) was born about 1769. He was tried for theft of hats of William (Wheeler) in New Sarum at Wiltshire Assizes at Salisbury on 5 7 1788, sentenced to 7years & arrived in NSW as a convict on 21 9 1791 after a voyage of 7.5months on HMS GORGON. He had settled at Hawkesbury when he died on 10 12 1815 age about46 & was buried/cremated, as (Benn/Burn) emancipist, at St Matthews CofE Windsor. ..[Some details taken from this Website] .. >>>Eliza Lydia (Griffin) married secondly John (McDonald) on 20 8 1817 at Christ Church Castlereagh & produced 4children. She was recorded in 1828 with her family at Pitt Town. She died on 16 7 1864 age70 mother of 4children. ..John (McDonald) was born about 1790. He was tried at Ayr Circuit Court of Justiciary Scotland, sentenced to 7years & arrived in NSW as a convict on 15 1 1812 after a voyage of 5.5months on GUILDFORD; he was Protestant. He was Free by Servitude by 1822 & recorded in 1822 & 1823 as a farmer. In 1824 he was recorded at Windsor, employing prisoners/convicts on his farm. He actively sought increases in his landhodings. He was recorded in 1828 as farmer/grazier with his family on 500acres at Pitt Town. He was still alive in 1845. ..[Some details taken from this Website] References: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony. Pamela Statham 'A Colonial Regiment-New Sources Relating to the New South Wales Corps-1789-1810'

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Penny-Lyn Beale on 10th December 2024

Convict Indents. ** dd noted in column next to his name - could indicate he died; [on voyage] 29 March