Summary
Personal Information
Crime
Voyage
Transportation
Hannah Palmer was transported on the Lloyds, departing 23rd Jul 1845 and arriving 7th Nov 1845 with 170 passengers.
Built 1830 at London. Wood barque of 403 Tons.
Lloyds (generic)References
| Primary Source | Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 91, Class and Piece Number HO11/14, Page Number 336 |
| Source Description | This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Pro |
| Original Source | Great Britain. Home Office |
| Compiled By | State Library of Queensland |
| Database Source | British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database |
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Convict Notes
FOOTNOTE 3: See the start of Hannah Palmer's journey at https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/palmer/hannah/43352.
FOOTNOTE 2: Hannah Palmer had form before her transportation to VDL. It just didn't show up on her VDL records. 5th December 1804: She was 19 when she was convicted at the Old Bailey, London, for shoplifting (feloniously stealing, on the 20th of October, 28 yards of lace, value 7 l. the property of Christopher Fisher, privately in his shop). Found guilty with recommendation, she was sentenced to death; this was commuted to transportation for seven years. 14 July, 1805: One of several Newgate Prison "respites" from the death sentence, she was delivered on board the William Pitt at Portsmouth, to be sent to NSW, arriving there on 11 April, 1806 (UK, Prison Commission Records, 1770-1951 for Hannah Palmer; Newgate Prison; List of Felons; 1859-1890). --00--
FOOTNOTE 1: MARRIAGE PERMISSION: 3 December, 1847: Hannah Palmer per Lloyds and William Britton (free) received permission to marry (https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON52-1-2p168j2k). There is no record of their marriage. --0--
15 January, 1852: Hannah Palmer received a Free Certificate (https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON41-1-7$init=CON41-1-7p124). --00
WAS SHE WELL ENOUGH FOR WORK? On arrival in VDL, Hannah Palmer, convict #311 aged 62, was reported to have been sick on the voyage but no further details appear on her Conduct record about her condition (podagra -- gout of the foot, especially the big toe). In fact, several key documents that are completed for convicts on arrival in VDL are basically blank in Hannah's case. One merely lists her name, trial date and says "sick" across several columns reserved for personal details (https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON41-1-7$init=CON41-1-7p124). AKS Piper (2003) has studied the transportation of convicts—male and female—whose age or infirmity would be expected to exclude them from being shipped to the colonies. Hannah Palmer is one of the cases highlighted. “Transportation spawned invalids directly and indirectly. Invalid prisoners, or prisoners likely to become infirm, were transported to Van Diemen’s Land… In relation to the Lloyds, the Principal Medical Officer reported to Matthew Forster, the Comptroller General, that with few exceptions they were healthy, although two women, Anne Gardiner and Mary Hamilton, had scurvy and required removal to the General Hospital. Three others, Jane Elson, Mary Halliday and Mary Murphy, who were respectively suffering from rheumatism, consumption (tuberculosis) and epilepsy, were also removed to the hospital. Another three, E. Palmer, Mary McDonald (or McDougal) and Anne Mulham (or Mulhern), all aged between 60 and 65 were described as being unfit for labour on account of being aged and infirm. A fourth woman, Mary Davis, aged 45, was also viewed as a potential liability as she had lost her right hand. From this one vessel alone it was likely that Van Diemen’s Land was to be lumbered with seven long term invalid cases… An investigation revealed that, with the exception of Davis, all the women had been healthy when they embarked and that their health and conduct in Millbank Prison [London] was not cause to detain them there. In the case of Davis, William Buly, the Medical Superintendent of Millbank Prison, wrote that while the regulations relating to the transportation of male convicts who had lost limbs had been amended in January 1845, no such instructions had been received for female convicts. On further inquiry… the Home Office [advised it] had no intention of changing this ruling. Loss of a limb continued to be perceived as not a barrier for the transportation of female convicts. The regulation had been changed for male convicts as the loss of a limb was seen as reasonable grounds to incapacitate a man from labour in a probation gang, but as women did not engage in such labour, the same objection could not be raised against their transportation.” (Piper, 2003, pp35-37, at https://eprints.utas.edu.au/). Note: Some corrections to the names above—Anne Gardiner was listed as Ann Gardner. She died in Hobart General Hospital, on 25 November, 1845, 17 days after her arrival in Hobart Town. Mary Murphy should be Margaret Murphy, aged 11½ years. Young Margaret had epilepsy and sailed on the Lloyds with her mother, Margaret, who did not suffer from epilepsy. E Palmer was Hannah Palmer, the subject of this bio. Mary McDonald was Mary Macdonald (convict #590), aged 16. However, Margaret McDonald (convict #589) was aged 60, born 1785, and the subject of this bio. --0--
TRIAL: 6 January, 1845: Hannah Palmer was convicted at the Old Bailey for receiving stolen goods and sentenced to 7 years' transportation. She had no previous convictions (https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON41-1-7$init=CON41-1-7p124). --0--
Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 05 August 2021), January 1845, trial of HANNAH PALMER (t18450106-364). HANNAH PALMER, Theft > receiving, 6th January 1845. 364. HANNAH PALMER was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 28th of Nov., I watch, value 6l., the goods of William Hill, well knowing the same to have been stolen. WILLIAM HILL . I live at Walworth. On the 28th of Nov. I was going up Toeley-street—I had my watch in my pocket, and either 4s. 6d. or 6s. 6d. in money—a man before me dropped a glove—I said, "Sir, you have dropped your glove"—he turned round and picked it up—I was going on, and he overtook me and spoke to me—I went with him to a public-house in Tooley-street—there were two men at the door, and he said, "God bless me, here are my two sons"—we went in and drank, and staid there an hour and a half—we then went to the Grapes, in Bermondsey-street, and there they gave me some warm ale, and I lost all my senses—I had my watch and my money when I was in Tooley-street; and when I awoke, my watch and money were gone—this is my watch (looking at one)—I did not see the prisoner—there was no woman in the company—it was four o'clock before I went into the public-house. JOHN NORRIS . I am a pawnbroker. This watch was pawned with me on the evening of the 28th of Nov., between seven and eight o'clock, by the prisoner, for 1l.—she came the next morning, and said she had lost the duplicate, and asked for a declaration—I asked if it was her property—she said "Yes"—I asked where she lived—she said, in Finsbury-street, but she did not know the number—I sent her to see the number—she came back and said it was No. 11—I gave her the declaration, and she came and redeemed the watch before we had notice that it was stolen—I knew her before, and had frequently served her. ROBERT DIXON . I am a pawnbroker. I produce this watch, which was pawned with me on the 29th Nov. for 25s., by a woman, but not the prisoner. JAMES BRANNAN (police-sergeant G 20.) On the evening of the 7th of Dec, between six and seven o'clock, the prisoner was brought to the station in Featherstone-street—she was asked her name and address—she gave her name only—she was told she was charged with receiving a watch which had been stolen—she said she met a sailor whom she knew, and pledged the watch for him—she then said she was in St. Luke's work-house—I said I would go there with her—in going she said, "I got into this by serving my employer"—she was then taken to the station, and said she had met a man whom she knew at Liverpool, and pawned the watch for him, and he gave her two shillings for her trouble. Prisoner. I saw a person in a wine vaults, who is a merchant in Liverpool; I knew him there; he said he was reduced, and asked me to be kind enough to pledge his watch; I said I would; I went to Mr. Sowerby's, the corner of Finsbury-street, and got 20s. on it, which I gave to the man; the next morning I went and got the declaration; the pawnbroker knows me extremely well, from using the shop for my own property; the watch was not in the same state that it is now when I pawned it. GUILTY.* Aged 60.— Transported for Seven Years. --------------------------------------------------- National Archives. DM 101/43/31845 Medical journal of the Lloyds, female convict ship, for 19 July to 12 November 1845 by Charles K. Nutts, Surgeon and Superintendent, during which time the said ship was employed in a voyage to Van Diemen’s Land. (Described at item level). ADM 101/43/3/11845 Folios 1-2: copy of the sick list of female convicts, (names and details follow). Folio 1: Hannah Palmer, aged 62, convict; sick or hurt, podagra; put on sick list 26 July 1845, put off sick list 11 August 1845 cured. Folio 1: Hannah Palmer, aged 62, convict; sick or hurt, podagra; put on sick list 11 September 1845, put off sick list 29 September 1845 cured.