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Transportation
John Palmer was transported on the Neptune, Scarborough And Surprize, departing 30th Nov 1789 and arriving 26th Jun 1790 with 1084 passengers.
Neptune 809 tons built on the River Thames 1779. The largest ship of the Second Fleet.
Neptune, Scarborough And Surprize (generic)References
| Primary Source | Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 87, Class and Piece Number HO11/1, Page Number 34 |
| Source Description | This record is one of the entries in the British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database compiled by State Library of Queensland from British Home Office (HO) records which are available on microfilm as part of the Australian Joint Copying Pro |
| Original Source | Great Britain. Home Office |
| Compiled By | State Library of Queensland |
| Database Source | British convict transportation registers 1787-1867 database |
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Family connections for John (Palmer) are: PALMER John (Palmer) was born about 1764 in Gloucester & became a glover. He was tried for stealing iron from Edward (Bridger) of Millbrook at Winchester Quarter Sessions of the Peace Hampshire on 5 4 1789? & sentenced to 7years. He enlisted in NSW Corps in UK as a corporal on 20 10 1789. He arrived in NSW as a convict/soldier on 26 6 1790 after a voyage of 7months on Fleet ship NEPTUNE; a voyage noted for extreme brutality of prisoners with a high death rate; he was 5.83' in height. He became sergeant in 1791. In 1792 he was granted 100acres at Garden Island cove & 70acres at Surry Hills Field of Mars, He had a relationship with Mary (Spence/r her third relationship) whom he married on 10 8 1797 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. In 1798 he was detached to (Paterson)s company, still in Sydney. He was Free by Servitude by 1799. In 1800 he was detached to (Townson)s company & leased 3acres 32rods at Warwick Farm. On 5 5 1801 he was reduced to private & detached to (Grose)s company. In 1804 he was granted 125acres at Mulgrave Place Hawkesbury. He was still in Sydney when detached to (Kemp)s company in 1808. In 1809 he was detached to 2company & transferred to Veterans Company on 24 4 1810. [Some details taken from this Website] Mary (Spence/r) was born about 1767 at Formby Lancashire. She had a first (1of3) relationship. She was tried for stealing petticoats etc of Charles (Fenton) of Crosby at Wigan Quarter Sessions Lancashire Assizes on 9 10 1786, sentenced to 5/7years apparantly & arrived in NSW as a convict with a child born at sea on 22 1 1788 after a voyage of 9months on First Fleet ship PRINCE OF WALES. She was sent to Norfolk Island, arriving on 3 12 1789. She had a second (2of3) relationship with James (Squire) his second (2of4) relationship) & produced 1child. She left Norfolk Island on 21 9 1792. She had a second relationship with John (Palmer) whom she married on 10 8 1797 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She produced 3children in her lifetime. [Some details taken from this Website] John (Palmer) & Mary (Spencer) produced 2children: 1.Ann (Palmer) was born on 4 6 1796 & baptised on 3 7 1796 at St Phuillips CofE Sydney. 2.Elizabeth (Palmer) was born on 12 10 1799 & baptised on 17 11 1799 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. She died in May 1800 age7m & was buried at St Phillips Co0fE Sydney. References: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony. Irene Schaffer & Thelma McKay 'Exiled Three Times Over! Profiles of Norfolk Islanders Exiled in Van Diemens Land 1807-1813' James Hugh Donohoe 'Norfolk Island 1788-1813-The People and Their Families' Reg Wright 'Forgotten Generation of Norfolk Island & Van Diemens Land' Pamela Statham 'A Colonial Regiment-New Sources Relating to the New South Wales Corps-1789-1810'
WINCHESTER. Saturday, April 5. Tuesday the General Quarter Sessions of the Peace for this county began, when the following prisoners took their trials, viz. John Palmer, for stealing a large quantity of iron, the property of Edward Bridger, of Milbrook; Lazarus Scamp, for stealing a jack ass from Michael Poyl, of Dibden ; and John Ryail, for stealing a quantity of iron and lead from George Lewer, Widley, were Severally sentenced to transportation for seven years. Hampshire Chronicle, 7 April 1788.