John Ryan

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iain Frazier on 11th October 2024

Family connections for John Michael Tobin/Tobias (Ryan) are: RYAN John Michael Tobin/Tobias (Ryan) was born in 1796 & became a painter & glazier. He was tried w/2others for stealing, on 20 6 1814, a handkerchief of Henry (Lownds) at Middlesex Gaol Delivery, sentenced to Life & arrived in NSW as a convict on 26 4 1815 after a voyage of 6months on INDEFATIGIBLE; he was Catholic. He married secondly (2of3?) Mary (Rope her second (2of3) marriage) on 6 8 1816 at St Johns CofE Parramatta/Christ Church Castlereagh. He was Free by Servitude by 1823. He is recorded in 1826 as a farmer & in 1828 as having his Conditional Pardon & farming 40acres with his family at Evan. He died on 25 11 1853 age57. [Some details taken from this Website] Mary (Rope) was born in 1791 & baptised on 31 7 1791 at St Johns CofE Parramatta. She had a first relationship (1of3?) with Thomas (Hobby) & produced 3children. She is recorded in 1828 with her family at Evan. She is recorded by Smee as having a third relationship with John (Bevan his third relationship). She died on 24 10 1872 age about81 mother of perhaps 11children. Details of Mary (Rope)s family are given in entry for Anthony (Rope ALEXANDER 1788) on this Website. John Michael (Ryan) & Mary (Rope) produced perhaps 4children: during this period Mary (Rope) produced 2other children with John (Bevan)] 1.James Tobias/Tobin (Ryan) was born on 4 1 1818 & baptised on 5 7 1818 at Christ Church Castlereagh. He is recorded in 1828 with his family at Evan. He died on 17 10 1899 age71. 2.Sophie/a (Ryan) was born on 2 6 1820 & baptised on 28 8 1820 at Christ Church Castlereagh. She is recorded in 1828 with her family at Evan. She died on 13 10 1864 age44. 3.John Tobin (Ryan) was born on 2 2 1823 & baptised on 9 3 1823 at Christ Church Castlereagh. He is recorded in 1828 with his family at Evan. He died on 26 6 1880 age57. 4.Sarah (Ryan) was born on 5 12 1825 at Evan & baptised on 8 1 1826 at Christ Church Castlereagh. She is recorded in 1828 with her family at Evan. He died on 4 4 1904 age78. 5.Eliza (Ryan) 6.Maurice (Ryan) REFERENCE: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony.

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Denis Pember on 24th September 2015

Sainty & Johnson; 1828 Census of New South Wales: [Ref R1719] Ryan, John, 31, CP, Indefatigable 1815, Life, Catholic, Farmer at Evan. 40 acres all cleared and cultivated, 1 horse 40 cattle. # Also [Ref R1720] Ryan, Mary, 36, born in colony. and also 6 children..viz: Eleanor, 17; George, 13; James, 11; Sophia, 7; John, 5; Sarah, 3. All born in colony.

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Denis Pember on 24th September 2015

JOHN RYAN , GEORGE MULKEY , and WILLIAM PHILLIPS , were indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 20th of June , a handkerchief, value 3 s. the property of Henry Lowndes , from his person . HENRY LOWNDES. I live as clerk with my father, 6, Gutter-lane, Cheapside; he keeps a muslin commission warehouse. On the 20th of June, I was in Hyde Park , at the review; I went into the Park about ten o'clock in the morning; I am sure I had my handkerchief in my pocket when I went into the Park. My handkerchief was taken from me without my feeling it. The witness Avory, came and told me of it about one o'clock. I missed my handkerchief in about two minutes after the prisoners were laid hold of, and Avory took my handkerchief from Ryan. I am quite sure the handkerchief was mine; it was worth three shilling and sixpence, or four shillings. I saw my handkerchief taken from John Ryan . JOHN AVORY . I am an officer. On the 20th of June, I was in Hyde Park, I saw the three prisoners all together; I saw them all go to the prosecutor; he was looking at the soldiers. They came from him again. They all three went to him again; in about half a minute they left him, and returned instantly to him again; the prisoner Ryan was in the middle, the other two were on each side of him; they covered Ryan. I saw Ryan pull his hand from the gentleman's pocket, and put whatever he had in his hand, under his coat. I saw the hand had apparently a handkerchief, something of this colour; he put it under his coat. John Dobson , a neighbour of mine, was with me at the time. The prisoners then left the gentleman. I went and told the gentleman that I believed he had his pocket picked; he told me he had not; he felt in his pocket, he said, he had lost his handkerchief. I asked him to go with me, I would shew him the man that had picked his pocket, and when I came up to the three prisoners, they were from twenty to forty yards off; they were all three together at that time. I then charged them with stealing the gentleman's handkerchief. I took the handkerchief out of Ryan's left hand pocket, he had got inside, under his arm; I searched him afterwards. I found this handkerchief upon him, and these two handkerchiefs I found in Phillips's pocket. The three prisoners were altogether, as nigh as they are now. JOHN DOBSON . I was with Avory in the Park at the time this matter happened. I saw the three prisoners together before the gentleman's pocket was picked. I saw them try more than one pocket; that induced me to watch them. I saw Ryan draw his hand upwards from the gentleman's pocket, and put whatever was in his hand, under his coat. Q. Had they been near the gentleman before that - A. Yes, they had been once; they returned to him again instantly. I saw Avory acquaint the gentleman of what had happened. I kept my eye upon the prisoners; they continued together. Avory and the gentleman came, and secured them. I was present when they were searched. Ryan had the handkerchief which was claimed by the prosecutor; that was taken from under his left arm. Then they were all taken. Q. to Prosecutor. Look at that handkerchief - A. It is my handkerchief. I am quite sure of that. This is the handkerchief that was taken from my pocket. Ryan's Defence. I humbly hope to present these lines in my defence. I hope and trust my case will meet the judicial proceeding of this bar, and that notwithstanding what has been said by the witnesses, there may appear yet some favourable circumstance to a youth at the early age of seventeen, for the first time brought to this bar to answer for any charge of a felony. On Monday, the 20th of June, about eleven o'clock in the forenoon, I went into Hyde Park; I had not been there long before an officer came and took me into custody, with the two young men now at the bar; stating before the magistrate, that we were in company together; which I avow to my knowledge I never saw the two prisoners before. I will now ask the officer whether he did not observe before the magistrate, that he had been pursuing another one with a velveteen jacket on, and said, he had plenty of handkerchiefs about him. I do allow that the handkerchief that was dropped by a lad, who was making his way in the crowd, I took it up. Prosecutor. No such thing; he was asked if it was his handkerchief; he said, yes; he knew it by the pattern. Mulkey's Defence. I am quite innocent. I never saw either of these prisoners before in my life. Phillips's Defence. These two young fellows are strangers to me. RYAN, GUILTY , aged 18. MULKEY, GUILTY , aged 17. PHILLIPS, GUILTY , aged 16. Transported for Life . Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

His name is John Michael Tobias Ryan, known as Michael.He married Mary Rope daughter of Anthony Rope and Elizabeth Pulley(both convicts of the first fleet)on 6th August 1816 at St Johns Church Parramatta.They had 6 children, 1.James Tobias,Sophie,John Tobin, Sarah, Eliza and Maurice. He died on 25th November 1853.