Charlotte Stanley

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iain Frazier on 8th June 2025

Family connections for Charlotte (Stanley) are: STANLEY/MILLER/CAPP/LODER Charlotte (Stanley/Miller) was born about 1798/1804 & became a servant. She apparantly married firstly (1of3) ??? (Miller). She was tried w/1other as Charlotte (Stanley alias Miller) for uttering counterfeit coins at General Sessions of the 'Piece' Clerkenwell Middlesex on 17 9 1810, sentenced to 1year in prison plus sureties for 2years. She was tried again w/1other for uttering, on 22 11 1815,-her third conviction-at Old Bailey, sentenced to death reduced to Life, held probably at Middlesex Gaol Delivery & arrived in NSW as a convict on 19 1 1816 after a voyage of 6.5months on MARY ANN; she was a servant. She, as Charlotte (Stanley), married secondly (2of3) Joseph Ivory (Carp/Capp) on 25 10 1819 at St Matthews CofE Windsor.>>> [Some information taken from this Website] Joseph Ivory (Capp) was born about 1792, perhaps in Buckinghamshire, & became a house carpenter. He was tried at Gloucester Assizes, sentenced to 7years & arrived in NSW as a convict on 24 4 1817 after a voyage of 4months on SHIPLEY. He was recorded in 1821 as a carpenter. He is recorded in 1825 as Free by Servitude, but had left the colony. He was also recorded in 1826 as having been a carpenter. [Some information taken from this Website] Charlotte (Miller) & Joseph Ivory (Capp) produced 3children. 1.Thomas (Capp) was born on 29 12 1820 at Windsor & baptised on 7 1 1821 at St Matthews CofE Windsor. 2.Charles Solomon (Capp) mwas born in 1823. She died on 12 10 1884 age about1. 3.Mary Ann (Capp/s) was born on 16 12 1825 at Windsor & baptised on 16 10 1826 at St Matthews CofE Windsor. .. >>>Charlotte (Stanley/Miller/Capp) was recorded as a shopkeeper when she had a third relationship with Andrew (Loder) & produced at least 2children. She produced at least 5children in her lifetime. Andrew (Loder) was born on 8 7 1799 & baptised on 25 12 1799 at St Phillips CofE Sydney. He & his brother accompanied his father in law John (Howe) explorer on both of the expeditions to the Hunter River. In 1818 they discovered the Hunter River & later Patrick’s Plains (now Neotsfield). In 1821 he was granted land in the Hunter as reward for exploration work-near what is now Mt. Thorley near Singleton. He was recorded in 1826 as a yeoman & 1829 as a farmer. By 1834 he had cattle runs as far afield as Wee Waa. He died on 6 11 1836 age37. Reference: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony.

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Penny-Lyn Beale on 5th September 2021

Convict Indents; Trade; Servant

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Phil Hands on 27th September 2017

Old Bailey Trial Transcription. Reference Number: t18141130-3 3. CHARLOTTE STANLEY , alias MILLER , and MARY LUSCOMBE , alias MATILDA MILLER , were indicted, and the indictment states, that at the General Sessions of the Piece of our Lord the King, holden for the County of Middlesex, on the 17th of September, in the 50th year of his Majesty's reign, the Prisoner Charlotte Stanley , otherwise called Charlotte Miller , together with one Greenslade, was tried and convicted of being a common utterer of false money, and was sentenced to be imprisoned in the House of Correction one year, and to find sureties for two years more; and the indictment further states, that on the 10th of July, in the 51st year of his Majesty's reign, the Prisoner Mary Luscombe , otherwise called Matilda Miller , with another, was tried, and convicted, and sentenced to be in Goal for one year, and to find sureties for two years more, and that each of them, on the 22nd of November last, one piece of false counterfeit money, made and counterfeited to the likeness of a piece of good and lawful money, called a sixpence, unlawfully did utter to one Joseph Spencer ; they knowning it to be false and counterfeited. JOSIAH GILL SEWELL . I am a clerk to the Solicitor of the Mint. I produce a copy of the record of the conviction of Charlotte Stanley , alias Miller; I got it from the clerk of the piece office, Clerkenwell. I also produce a copy of the record of the conviction of Mary Luscombe , alias Matilda Miller; I got this at Mr. Shelton's office, in the City of London; I examined them; they are correct copies. (Read.) WILLIAM BEEBY . I am the keeper of New Prison, Clerkenwell. Q. Look at the prisoners, do you know them - A. I know both of them. Q. Were you present at the conviction of Charlotte Stanley , otherwise Charlotte Miller - A. I was, in September sessions, in the year 1810; she was tried with another person of the name of Pemberthey; otherwise Greenslade; she was tried, and convicted of being a common utterer of counterfeit money; she was ordered to be in the House of Correction for the County of Middlesex for one year, and at the expiration of that time to find sureties for good behaviour for two years to come. WILLIAM ERASMUS HARDY. I am clerk of the papers at Newgate. Q. Look at the elder prisoner, do you know her - A. I do; she was convicted in July sessions, 1811; she was tried along with Mary Russell , I think it was; she was tried, and convicted of being a common utterer of counterfeit money; she was sentenced to be in Newgate one year, and to find sureties for two years to come. Q. Were you present in July sessions - A. I was; the prisoner Luscombe, who was tried at that time. Q. to Mr. Beeby. Were you present at Clerkenwell sessions when the other prisoner was tried - A. I was; the prisoner Charlotte Stanley is one of the persons that were tried at that time. THOMAS FOY . I am an officer. Q. Do you know the two prisoners - A. I know the young one, Charlotte Stanley ; I saw them together in Bond-street, on the 22nd of November, between one and two o'clock in the day; Plank, another officer, was in company with me. In consequence of my seeing the two prisoners together, I watched them into Bond-street; the girl, Stanley, went to the shop of Mr. Ward, a confectioner, in Bond-street; the other prisoner passed on a little way, looking in the shop windows, apparently as if waiting for her coming out, and when Stanley came out of Mr. Ward's shop, she went to Luscombe; from Bond-street, they both turned down Stafford-street; there Stanley went into a shop; I was not sure which shop she went into; as I was passing along, I saw Stanley come out of a stationer's shop with a sheet of paper in her hand. Q. When she came out of the stationer's shop, did she join the other woman then - A. Plank will speak to that. I went into the shop; I ascertained she had been changing some money there; I saw Mr. Kirby, and found she had passed a bad sixpence there. When she came out, she went into Albemarle-street, into a pastry-cook's shop, and the other woman walked on two or three doors following, waiting for her. At the pastry-cook's shop she uttered a shilling; she came out. I went into the shop to make enquiry, and when I came out, I lost the two prisoners, and Plank to. I kept strait down Piccadilly, thinking I should meet them, and when I came back again, I saw the two prisoners, and Plank following them, I joined Plank. Charlotte Stanley went to the lodge at Hyde Park; the other went through the posts at Hyde Park gate, and there remained waiting for her daughter. Charlotte Stanley came from the window, and joined her mother. I then went into the lodge. From there, they went to a baker's shop, at Knightsbridge, the young one went into the baker's shop, and the elder one passed on two or three doors; the baker's name is Joseph Spencer ; I went into Mr. Spencer's shop; I discovered that some money had been changed there. The young prisoner was in the shop, she had got a large shawl on, and had got a loaf or a roll in her hand. Mr. Spencer was in the act of taking some halfpence out of the till to give her change; I laid hold of the prisoner's hand; I then desired Mr. Spencer to look at the money he had taken; I told Mr. Spencer that she was a common utterer, to be particular in marking the money he had taken of her. I told the prisoner that she had got something in her hand; she was scuffling with me; she dropped something from her hand upon the floor; it was money; I picked it up from the floor, and put it in my hat, and what I found upon her; I also put into my hat three shillings and two-pence in copper, that was the money that dropped down, and what I found in her pocket together; I had mixed them; there is one shilling bad; the others I believe are good, a three-shilling bank token, two good shillings, a counterfeit shilling, and two-pence in copper. The other prisoner was brought in by Plank. I searched the old woman; in her right hand pocket I found three shillings and two-pence three farthings in copper, in the same pocket eight good sixpences; I believe they are good. I then asked her in the presence of the other prisoner, if she had any counterfeit money on her person; she said, she had not. I searched her further; I found forty sixpences; thirty-nine of them appear to be counterfeit, and one good. I have them here. I spoke to both the prisoners; I asked them if they knew each other; they denied having any knowledge of each other. This is the shilling found upon the old woman; I looked at the sixpence uttered to Mr. Spencer; I desired him to mark it; he did, and delivered it to me. I have had it ever since, and have it now to produce. JOHN NICOLL . I am one of the moniers of his Majesty's Mint. Q. Look at that sixpence uttered to Mr. Spencer - A. It is a counterfeit, and it is likely to impose upon any body, and the thirty-nine are all counterfeits something like the other of the same materials. Mr. Knapp. Q. to Foy. There was a shilling you had from the other - A. This is it. Q. to Mr. Nicoll. Look at that shilling; is it a good one - A. There is one bad here, and two good. COURT. Are the thirty-nine and the one you spoke to before; are you able to say they come from the same manufactory - A. It is impossible to say. Mr. Knapp, Q. to Foy. Did they continue to say all through they did not know each other - A. No, the young one said she had given the sixpences to the old woman, she having found them, meaning the thirty-nine: they then said they had been together. SAMUEL PLANK . I am an officer. I was in company with Foy on Tuesday the 22d of November, in Bond-street. I first saw them in Oxford-street; they were together walking and talking. I saw the young one go into several shops. I saw her go into one shop in Oxford-street; the other waited for her coming out, two doors off; they joined immediately; they crossed Hanover-square into Bond-street. The young one went into Mr. Ward's shop, the other remained a short distance off as before; she did not stay a quarter of a minute in the shop. Immediately she come out the two prisoners joined; they went down Bond-street. When they came to the corner of Stafford-street, the young one went into the shop at the corner of it. The young one turned to the left into Stafford-street, and the old one went town into Albemarle-street. I kept my attention to the old one. I saw the young one come down towards her in about two minutes; the elder waited for her; they joined company immediately; the younger one gave the other some money; what it was I do not know; by the whiteness it was silver. They conversed a minute together or so. I saw the elder receive something from the younger; they stopped at the White Horse, and close to that there is a confectioner's shop. The young one went into it; she come out very quick, and was eating of something; and she delivered something from her hand to the other prisoner. COURT. Could you see what it was - A. No; I did not go near enough for fear of being known; they then passed on together. I told the last witness to go into the shop; they passed on towards Hyde-park corner. There is a pastry-cook's shop in Piccadilly; they passed the pastry-cook's shop; they stopped and consulted together; the old one gave the young one a piece of money what it was I do not know. I was on the other side of the way. Stanley then went to the shop window, took up a cake, and gave something into the hand of Elizabeth Mansfield ; the shop-woman, she is here. I stepped into the shop; Elizabeth Mansfield delivered the sixpence into my hand; I returned it to her, and desired her to keep it in paper until I called for it. Q. What day was this - A. Tuesday the 22d of November. On the Thursday following I called again; I received the sixpence of her which I had desired her to mark before she gave it me. I have had it ever since. On the Tuesday after I came out of the shop, I immediately pursued the prisoners; they went on towards Hyde-park. Foy was in company with me. I had just met with him. I kept near the prisoners; they passed on until they came to that gate; the young one received something of the elder prisoner again, I could not see what it was; she went to the lodge; I saw her take up some curds and whey at the window; she gave some money to a child at the window within the shop, that child is not here. The child gave her some change, I supposed it to be some halfpence, I was not near enough to distinguish; the other one was walking just round the corner, close to the lodge. The young one then delivered something to the old one; they passed on down the right-hand side of the road to Knightsbridge. When they came near to Mr. Speneer's shop, the baker, the elder one passed on about two doors past the shop, and the young one went in. Foy and I went into the shop after her. In about a quarter of a minute the elder one stepped and looked back. I went on to the elder prisoner; she was standing with her right hand in her pocket, and her left was closed. I went behind her, and took hold of the wrist of her right hand and drew it out of her pocket, and at the same time I took hold of her left hand, and with some difficulty, I opened her left hand. In it I found these two counterfeit sixpences. I took her back into Mr. Spencer's shop, where I found Foy and the other prisoner. I held her hand while he searched her; I heard Foy ask the question which he has stated; each of them denied any knowledge of each other. I never heard them acknowledge they were relations. ELIZABETH MIRFIELD . I am shopwoman to Mr. Bridgman, a pastry cook, Piccadilly. Q. Do you remember, on the 22d of November, a person coming to your shop window - A. I recollect a person; I do not know the person; she asked me at the window for a penny almond cake; she gave me a sixpence; I took the sixpence and gave her fivepence change. I put the sixpence into the till; there were two other sixpences in the till, and three or four shillings in the till. Q. Had you observed the two other sixpences before that - A. I know the two other sixpences that I before had taken were different from this other. I knew the two sixpences in the till by being large sixpences, and much battered. Plank came immediately to the shop window, after I had served that person. I shewed him that sixpence I received of that person. I am sure the sixpence I received from that person I shewed to Plank. He desired me to put it by, for I should be called on again. No person had come to the window between the time I took it and the time I shewed it to Plank. I rolled the sixpence in a bit of paper, it was put into a box in the parlour. On Thursday afterwards Plank came to me, I delivered him the sixpence; he desired me to mark it. I did so; this is the sixpence to the best of my belief; I put a cross upon it; that is the sixpence I received of the young woman that came before Plank. COURT. Look at the prisoners; might it not be one of the two - A. It might be, I cannot swear that. Mr. Nicoll. It is a counterfeit sixpence, like the one produced first with the same mark; there is a figure of 8 upon it. Q. That was the sixpence uttered to Mr. Spencer A. Yes; the two sixpences produced by Plank are counterfeits, with different marks upon them, like some of the thirty-nine. JOSEPH SPENCER . I am a baker at Knightsbridge. On the 22d of November, the young prisoner came into my shop, she asked for a twopenny loaf. I served her; she gave me a sixpence, I gave her fourpence change; no person came in after before Mr. Foy; he came in in the space of a minute or less; he said this is an utterer of base and counterfeit money, I should be glad to look at the sixpence. I turned round to get the sixpence; I had put it on a bit of paper in the bowl of money, it was mixed with no other sixpence. I shewed Foy the sixpence, and by his desire I marked it. I gave it Mr. Foy. This is the sixpence, I marked it at the edge with a knife. In the scuffle the fourpence and the loaf were put on the counter both; some customers came in, and there was a confusion. Stanley said nothing in her defence. Luscombe's Defence. I never went into any shop to utter. I never had any charge to the officer Foy, if he asked me any questions, I told him I had nothing to say. STANLEY, GUILTY , DEATH , aged 17. LUSCOMBE, GUILTY , DEATH , aged 44. First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Justice Le Blanc.

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Phil Hands on 27th September 2017

Northampton Mercury Saturday 10th December 1814 p. 3 Yesterday the sessions ended at the Old Bailey, when the Recorder proceeded to pass sentence of death in the usual awful manner upon the following prisoners:- Death. -...Charlotte Stanley alias Miller, Mary Ruscomb, alias Miller, and Mary Russell, for uttering counterfeit coins, this being the third conviction...

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Phil Hands on 27th September 2017

Tried and convicted at the Old Bailey on 30th November 1814 for uttering (possessing counterfeit money or putting it in into circulation), she was sentenced to death, this was later commuted to transportation for life. Left England in mid July 1815. Ship:- the 'Mary Ann' sailed with 103 female convicts on board of which 1 died during the voyage. Arrived on 19th January 1816 Charlotte had a defacto relationship with convict Joseph Capp ('Shipley' 1817) that produced 2 children, Thomas 1820 & Charles 1823. In the 1823 census they are living at Windsor but by the 1828 census Joseph is listed as 'left the colony' and Charlotte is 'housekeeper' to Andrew Loder (son of soldier George Loder & convict Charlotte Stroud, 'Kitty' 1792), a union that was to produce 5 children between 1826-1836. Adrew Loder died on 5th November 1836 after a fall from his horse, he was 37. Sydney Herald, 21st November 1836, p 3. On Sunday, the 5th instant, as Mr. Andrew Loder of Cockfighter's Creek, Hunter's River, was proceeding home from his station at Liverpool Plains, in company of one of his sons, the latter was thrown from his horse when Mr. Loder galloped away after it. Mr. Loder was not again seen until the Saturday following, and was then found lying in the bush quite dead, apparently from falling with great violence against a tree, as no marks appeared visible of his having moved after falling. His horse came home to his residence on Wednesday, without saddle or bridle, which caused suspicion, and his friends made every search which proved unsuccessful until Saturday; an inquest was held on him by Dr. Little, J. P., and a verdict of "Accidental death" returned. His remains were taken to Patrick's Plains for interment, accompanied by his numerous relations and friends, being a native of this Colony. Charlotte died in 1852 at the age of 48.