Boze Venner

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iain Frazier on 23rd May 2024

Family connections for Boze (Venner) are: VENNER Boze (Venner) was born about 1760 & became a calico printer. He was convicted of burglary, on 11 12 1785, of David (Wonham) at Maidstone Kent Assizes in March 1787. He was also tried w/1other for stealing calico, on 1 6 1786, of John (Ashby) & John (Philpot) at Maidstone Kent General Sessions on 30 8 1786, sentenced to death reprieved to 14years at Old Bailey & arrived in NSW as a convict on 26 6 1790 after a voyage of 6months on Fleet ship NEPTUNE; a voyage noted for extreme brutality of prisoners with a high death rate. He married Mary (Mande/rville/Manduel her first marriage) on 8 1 1792 at St Johns CofE Parramatta.>>> [Some details taken from this Website] Mary (Mande/rville/Manduel) was born about 1756/66. She was tried at Dublin or Kilkenny Ireland, sentenced to 7years & arrived in NSW as a convict on 26 9 1791 after a voyage of 5months on QUEEN. She had a second relationship with Joseph (Butler her first relationship) from about 1793.. She died on 1 9 1795/6 age29 (39 acoording to Smees records) mother of 1child in a fire that destroyed her house, after a quarrel with Mary (Pawson) & was buried at St Johns CofE Parramatta. [Some details taken from this Website] Boze (Venner/Verner) & Mary (Manderville/Manduel) produced 1child: 1.Ann (Verner) was born on 25 4 1793 & baptised on 5 5 1793 at St Johns CofE Parramatta. Reference: Craig James Smee 'Births and Baptisms Marriages and Defacto Relationships Deaths and Burials New South Wales 1788-1830' ..a complete listing from church & other records in the early colony.

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Maureen Withey on 25th April 2020

National Archives. HO 47/6/30 1787 Apr 21 Report of Henry Gould on Boze Venner, convicted at the Kent Assizes at Maidstone in March 1787, for a burglary in the house of Daniel Wonham, of Crayford, on 11 December 1785. There is information on another conviction of his at the Old Bailey for stealing calico from a bleaching ground (subsequent to this crime). Grounds for clemency: no aggravating circumstances, prosecutor recommended mercy and a favourable account given at his earlier trial. Initial sentence: death. Recommendation: 14 years transportation.

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Iris Dunne on 27th December 2019

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey:- BOZE VENNER, Theft > theft from a specified place, 30th August 1786. 694. BOZE VENNER was indicted (together with FRANCIS HILL ) for feloniously stealing, on the 1st day of June last, twenty-one yards of callico, value 4 l. the property of John Ashby and John Philpot , being laid and placed and exposed to be whitened in a certain bleaching ground of theirs , against the statute. (The case opened by Mr. Peatt.) JOHN PHILPOT sworn. I am a callico printer ; my partner's name is John Ashby ; I lost a quantity of callico from my bleaching grounds; on the 2d of June, at five in the morning, I went down the field as I generally do, and ordered up those goods that I wanted up first; I missed one of the pieces, in consequence of missing it, I enquired of my people; three weeks after I lost three pieces more, and I applied to the public office; on losing the three pieces, I advertised the prisoner on this occasion; two or three days after I missed the first piece, I had occasion to take some of my women to go to the hay fields, and in consequence of some conversation I had some suspicion of the prisoner; I advertised him; then I went to Bow-street, and about a month ago, I saw the prisoner at Bow-street; the prisoner desired to speak to me, and he related to me how he took this piece away. Did you threaten him or promise him? - By no means whatever, he sent for me voluntarily himself; he began relating the story where my piece was; he was very sorry, and that he would tell me of the others; he then told me, he had sold it to Mrs. Daly, a woman with one eye; I went to Mr. Bond the magistrate, and he said, if it would be of any service letting the prisoner go with us, as he had informed us it was somewhere in Rag-fair; we found it in the Minories. Was there any of your property found in consequence of any information you had received? - There was no goods found in the house, but there was a gown found that was pledged. Was that gown any part of the callico that was lost? - I am sure of that, for this reason, I can shew you the original pattern, whereby I distinguish it. (Produces the gown.) This piece and this piece only taken away, is the only piece in the world, I will venture to say, that is to be found in this state. You will venture to say there is no piece of that pattern? - No, I will venture to say so; this gown is a part of the property I lost, I know that; the reason why I know it to be mine is this, this piece is without either green or blue in it, the original pattern is what we call chintz, which has both green and blue in it, and if that had been left with me then it would have had both green and blue in it; I first saw this gown at Bow-street; I saw it afterwards, only within this month. Court. Was the confession reduced into writing? - Yes, it was, but he would not sign it himself, but Mr. Bond said, he would sign it, and send it here himself. JACOB FREEMAN sworn. I belong to the public office; I went down to Bow-street; I heard the prisoner was there; I found him there; I saw Mr. Philpot there; he said, he should be glad to speak to him; that was before he was examined by the Magistrate concerning this gown; I told the prosecutor; the prosecutor went to him; I was present; he said, I think it my duty to tell you all of your piece; the prisoner said, as I am a dead man if I should be cast for this, all I want of you is to save my life; says the prosecutor, I cannot say any thing to that; says he, if it turns out if you do tell me any thing that will save your life, I will; I went to the pawnbroker's and found this gown; I shewed it to the prosecutor; I went to search for the receiver, but could not find her. Court. Before Mr. Philpot told him he would be of any service to him that he could in the other matter, what had Venner said; - He made use of an expression that he was very sorry he had robbed him; that was before Mr. Philpot had said, he would be of service to him, he said, Sir, I can inform you where your pieces are, you have lost out of your ground; that was before Mr. Philpot promised him. JAMES CHARINEAUX sworn. I am servant to Manby; this gown was pledged with us on the 22d of July by Mary Daly ; she is in custody as a receiver. PRISONER's DEFENCE. I was taken up to Bow-street office, and I sent to Mr. Philpot to speak to him; he put the question to me and said, that he thought I did rob his ground, and he said, if I would tell him, he would be a friend to me, after that I told him; he came down to the gaol, got my irons knocked off, and took me to East Smithfield; he brought me back to the office in Bow-street, and they all made a collection; Mr. Philpot gave me a guinea, and promised that he would not prosecute me, and that he would withdraw his indictment. GUILTY, Death. Prosecutor. The trial is now all over in respect to this, and consequently it will not effect him; some time after I made him a promise of this, and I should be very happy if you would recommend him to mercy, for I should be very sorry to take away the life of a poor man. Jury. The gentlemen wish to recommend him to mercy. Court. Upon the recommendation of Jury, I shall certainly excercise that power which the act of parliament rests in me of respiting the prisoner, and change the sentence of death to transportation for fourteen years . Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. RECORDER. https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t17860830-34 Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 27 December 2019), August 1786 (s17860830-1). Old Bailey Proceedings punishment summary, 30th August 1786. The Sessions being ended, the Court proceeded to pass Sentence, as follows. Mr. Recorder passed sentence on the capital convicts, as follows: "Prisoners at the bar, you have all "been convicted upon satisfactory evidence, "and by the verdicts of very merciful "and attentive juries, of crimes "which the laws of your country have "thought necessary to punish with death; "the dread of that punishment, the respect "due to the laws of God and your "Country, and even the dreadful examples "which have been held forth to you "by other unfortunate and wretched sufferers, "in situations similar to yours, "have unhappily for you been insufficient, "to produce that effect on your minds, "which should have deterred you from "the commission of those crimes which "have brought you into a like unfortunate "situation: It would therefore "be in vain for me to expect that any "thing I can say to you would make a deeper "impression on you than those repeated "examples. It therefore only remains for "me (after earnestly praying that the little "time which now will be allotted to you to "live, should be so employed as to secure "that pardon for you hereafter, which "you cannot hope to receive here) to "proceed to the last and most painful part "of my duty, in pronouncing on you the "dreadful sentence of the law, which is, "that you, and each of you, be taken from "hence to the place from whence you "came, and from thence to the place of "execution, there to be hanged by the "neck until you are dead: and may the "Lord have mercy upon your sinful "souls. Received Sentence of Death, 15, (viz.) William Wilkinson , George Lee , Alexander Seton , George Connoway , John Brown , George Woolford , John Batt , William White , John Watson , Henry Brown , John Shepherd , George Smith , James Wood , Thomas Tanner , Henry Lenham . To be transported for fourteen years, 1. Boze Venner . To be transported for seven years, 31, (viz.) Robert Jones , William Bugden , Edward Williams , Esther Abrahams , James Foothead , Edward Hall , Thomas Harwood , William Emery , Elizabeth Osborne , Jane Herbert , Thomas Marshall , William Larter otherwise Larbold, William Peters , Esther Harwood otherwise Howard, James George Semple , Joseph Piggin , Nicholas Deadross , George Gibbs , Mary Jackson , Martha Burkitt , John Moore , John Keys , Charles Mann , William Million , Martha Baker , William Henning , George Warwick , Charles Crowley , Joseph Abrahams , William Nobs , Thomas Sawyer . To be imprisoned for twelve months, 10, (viz.) Sarah Jones , Ann Crow , Lydia Bills , Sarah Carey , Charlotte Mason , Hyam Solomon, Sarah Pearson , Samuel Dring , Michael Roach , James Grace . (The three last fined 1 s.) To be imprisoned for six months, 8, (viz.) Mary Davis , Ann Symonds , Ann Smith , Ann Clapshaw , Elizabeth Cooper , Isabella Leicester , Ann Ware , William Lewin . To be publicly whipped, 7, (viz.) Patrick Summers , John Monk , William Harris , Hyam Solomon , William Lewin , John Skeggs , John Welch . Sentence respited On William Brown and William Trapshaw . https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=s17860830-1 Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 27 December 2019), August 1786, trial of ELEANOR DAILEY (t17860830-96). ELEANOR DAILEY, Theft > receiving, 30th August 1786. 757. ELEANOR DAILEY was indicted for feloniously receiving on the 22d day of July last, twenty-four yards of callico, value 4 l. the property of John Ashby and John Philpot , knowing the same to have been stolen . (The case opened by Mr. Peatt.) JOHN PHILPOT sworn. My partners name is John Ashby ; on the 1st of June, I lost a piece of callico out of my grounds. (The conviction of Boze Venner read, and examined by Mr. Garrow, prisoner's Counsel.) Did you prosecute this indictment, against Boze Venner ? - Yes. For what offence? - For robbing my grounds of a piece of callico; I saw it since at Bow-street, about a month ago; I think this to be the same I lost; because there never was any but that one piece in that state, it was unfinished when it was taken; it was a pattern peculiar to myself, it was without blue or green in it, there was enough to make four gowns. Was you present when this prisoner was examined in Bow-street? - Yes. What did she say there? Mr. Garrow. Was she sworn? - She was. I submit we cannot hear what she said. Court. I cannot receive in evidence any thing she has said on oath. Philpot. Her examination was taken in writing, she did not sign it, she denied it all; as she was going in the coach, she said she new Venner, and would tell the whole in Bow-street; she said the piece was brought to her in her own dwelling; I made her no promise, she said she bought two pieces of him; I cannot say the sum; I took out the pattern and she said that was it; what she said she gave, was not above a third of the value. Mr. Garrow. Do you remember any conversation about a person of the name of Fiddle? - Yes, she was bound over to prosecute this woman; but we cannot find her; the prisoner said she did not know it to be stolen. JACOB FREEMAN sworn. I am the officer; I apprehended this woman the 24th of July; no promises were made her that I know of; she denied every thing before the Justice; I do not think she confessed any thing in the coach. Mr. Garrow. Are there any examinations returned? - No; when she said any thing about it, she said, she did not know any thing was stolen. SAMUEL CLARINEAUX sworn. I live with Mr. Matthews in the Minories; I took this gown in pawn from the prisoner, the 22d of July. (Produced.) I sent her twelve shillings; that is near the value; I never saw her wear this gown; I have taken clothes of her before; she sold apples. (Deposed to.) Prisoner. If the counsel will call in my witnesses, that is enough. MARY GEARY sworn. I am the prisoner's daughter; Elizabeth Fiddle , otherwise Bet Thompson, came in about ten days before Whitsuntide, and asked me to buy a piece of cotton; I said, I had not money; then she said, do buy it, it will make you a handsome gown; I said, it was a very odd pattern; she said, she had it from a man that smuggled it from an East India ship; my mother came; she asked my mother to buy it; I said, do mother, buy it, and I will pay you in the course of a week; my mother said, where did you get it? she said, she had it from an East India ship; my mother offered her sixteen shillings, I said, seventeen shillings, she gave her eighteen shillings, and a quartern of brandy; there was about nine yards and three quarters; there was a gown made out of it for the old woman's wear; that is this gown that was pawned; she wore it publicly; one Mrs. Moore, a mantua-maker, made it; I thought it was a fair price. How old are you? - I am twenty-four years of age; I live with my mother. What is your business? - I make men's small clothes; a woman was present at the time it was bought, she came for a piece of sattin to seat a pair of breeches; her name is Nan Coffee ; I believe it was between one and two. Freeman. My Lord, I wish to speak; this woman positively swore at Bow-street, that she sold this piece that she bought in Rag-fair. Court to Gearey. Have you heard what Freeman has said, what do you say? - Your Lordship, it is a lye; there were nine yards and three quarters; it would make two gowns, one was made, and the rest was sold in Rosemary-lane, for ten shillings; there were four yards and three quarters in the gown, and five yards were sold. Court to Prosecutor. What is the lowest value of it, incomplete as it is? - It is worth four shillings a yard; thirty-six shillings. ANN COFFEE sworn. I went to the prisoner's house to get a piece of sattin, to seat a pair of breeches, and whilst I was there, Bet Fiddle came in with a black silk handkerchief, and she asked the daughter to buy a remnant of cotton, and it happened to be callico; she pressed her to buy it, and says the daughter, where did you get it? says she, I bought it of a fair hair'd man, from on board a ship; then the mother came in, and she asked her to buy it, and offered it her worth her money; says the old woman in answer, where did you get it? I have bought it, says she, of a fair hair'd man that duffs on board a ship; it measured nine yards and three quarters, and she asked her, what she asked for it, and she gave her eighteen shillings, and sixpence was spent in a quartern of brandy; she paid seven shillings and sixpence in silver, and half a guinea; I did not drink a spoonful of brandy; I would not give above half a crown, or two shillings and four-pence a yard for it; I thought it a fair price as a smuggled remnant; I never saw her wear it but once; I do not know what became of the rest; I think there might be four yards left, after she had a gown made; one colour is red, and the other purple, and it is grounded with pepper and salt colour; I could tell it without seeing it; I am sure that is the pattern, upon my oath, if I was never to be delivered of what I am carrying; I would have bought it myself if I had the money. The prisoner called seven other witnesses who gave her a good character. NOT GUILTY . Tried by the London Jury before Mr. ROSE. https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t17860830-96

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Iris Dunne on 26th December 2019

Convicted 19 March 1787 in Kent, England Convict Index: aged 27, Trade: Calico Printer, on ship Neptune